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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    We should possibly hit Iran with the same sanctions as North Korea. However, if your only reason is that there is no "legitimate government" in Iran, then we would be forced to have simillar sanctions on countries such as Saudi Arabia, China and even Russia.

    You can argue for that, but I think that would be a very bad idea. We can't have a fractoring of the world into its same old West vs Non-West supporting governments. This is another topic though.


    I am leaning to supporting an invasion of an unlegitimate nation (especially if the people seem to be supportive of a regime change, possibly in Iran) but as long as we have the forces to carry it out, and the timing is ideal. The problem is that we are currently in Afganistan and Iraq right now, and I don't believe we will have the forces for that type of action.


    If anything, strong sanctions should be on nations that harm other nation's sovernighty (sponsor terrorism is an example) and even though Iran is continuing to do that to some degree, it has died down alot.

    So I am supportive of the semi-friendlier policy we are leaning towards with Iran now, at least for the present.

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    I would be curious what anyone would predict if we did invade Iran now and allow a fair ellection. If the country would stick together and terrorism wouldn't increase, then I may support that now. But I have no idea
    I'm not. We are not the world's policeman, and we should avoid these kinds of foreign entanglements at all costs. Should we support the efforts of the people of Iran to topple their government? Absolutely, but it is ultimately up to them to do so.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    instead, Obama should [fill in the blank triad]
    Oh look justabubba. PF trash.

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    We should possibly hit Iran with the same sanctions as North Korea. However, if your only reason is that there is no "legitimate government" in Iran, then we would be forced to have simillar sanctions on countries such as Saudi Arabia, China and even Russia.

    You can argue for that, but I think that would be a very bad idea. We can't have a fractoring of the world into its same old West vs Non-West supporting governments. This is another topic though.


    I am leaning to supporting an invasion of an unlegitimate nation (especially if the people seem to be supportive of a regime change, possibly in Iran) but as long as we have the forces to carry it out, and the timing is ideal. The problem is that we are currently in Afganistan and Iraq right now, and I don't believe we will have the forces for that type of action.


    If anything, strong sanctions should be on nations that harm other nation's sovernighty (sponsor terrorism is an example) and even though Iran is continuing to do that to some degree, it has died down alot.

    So I am supportive of the semi-friendlier policy we are leaning towards with Iran now, at least for the present.

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    I would be curious what anyone would predict if we did invade Iran now and allow a fair ellection. If the country would stick together and terrorism wouldn't increase, then I may support that now. But I have no idea
    I have to agree with you about the fact that Russia, China, and Suadi Arabia do not have legitimate government. Yet you will not hear the NEOCONS complain about those countries.
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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

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    I have to agree with you about the fact that Russia, China, and Suadi Arabia do not have legitimate government. Yet you will not hear the NEOCONS complain about those countries.
    It took 5 posts for this thread to spiral into partisan hackery.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Bub,

    Unless international governments gain concrete proof of the massive fraud--which will likely be covered up by Iran's rulers--they will likely be very cautious in their pronouncements. On one hand, they would like the will of Iran's people to be respected. On the other, if they align themselves against the present Iranian government and that government prevails, they may wind up having cut off all negotiating opportunities on the nuclear issue on account of their opposition. Those are difficult trade-offs.

    The conservative clerics (Ayatollah Khamenei and the Council of Guardians) and the Ahmadinejad government are ruthless. They won't go quietly.

    If Iran's people attempt to bring down the government--via large protests or even violence--one can expect the Revolutionary Guards, secret police, and other security elements to resort to widespread repression and terror. In a "reign of terror" type situation, opposition leaders, student leaders, and others that the regime finds hostile or suspect opposes it will be dealt with severely.

    In the end, if the protests continue to spread, as has been reported this evening, the government will probably give an ultimatum and then move to quash the protests.

    It is unfortunate that the will of Iran's people will likely be violated and ignored. But the unelected and unaccountable conservative clerics care little about the will of the people. Their major priority is retaining power.

    Hence, I don't believe the protests will escalate to the point of a new Iranian revolution, much less one that would bring down the conservative clerics and Ahmadinejad. The risk of such a revolution might increase if the regime acts ruthlessly against peaceful protests leading to widespread deaths and/or injuries. Then, a more explosive situation could be set off.

    Unfortunately ALOT of people (IMO esp on the Left) do not want to accept that reality because the issue of Iran nuclear program has pushed them into a corner. With only one realistic out anytime soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Those are good points, but I still think that if the actual regime arrived via a revolution, then why coulnd't it be replaced by a "democratic revolution"?

    Isn't it what has happened in many countries before?

    But you're right, I doubt it could happen today in Iran. I still hope that the current regime will loose a maximum of credibility by reacting unadequately, and that it will bring some positive reforms in the future
    Right now if there was any sort of revolt it would fail badly.
    The military is not fractured as it was at the end of the Shah...and the military(or someone with military backing) is about the only power who could rule effectively.

    On the otherhand a military led overthrow would be better then having the theocracy that is now.
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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

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    It took 5 posts for this thread to spiral into partisan hackery.

    Thank you sir.
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    Where did I do that?
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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    You really have to like the way the Mullahs had the election count done by just after midnight and only hours after the 'polls' closed and they do not have one mechanical much less electronic voting machine in the entire country. So the Mullahs mulled over the count for a few minutes and declared the bad guy the winne by 2:1 margin.

    Ya gotta love them Mullah guys.
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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    We should possibly hit Iran with the same sanctions as North Korea. However, if your only reason is that there is no "legitimate government" in Iran, then we would be forced to have simillar sanctions on countries such as Saudi Arabia, China and even Russia.

    You can argue for that, but I think that would be a very bad idea. We can't have a fractoring of the world into its same old West vs Non-West supporting governments. This is another topic though.


    I am leaning to supporting an invasion of an unlegitimate nation (especially if the people seem to be supportive of a regime change, possibly in Iran) but as long as we have the forces to carry it out, and the timing is ideal. The problem is that we are currently in Afganistan and Iraq right now, and I don't believe we will have the forces for that type of action.


    If anything, strong sanctions should be on nations that harm other nation's sovernighty (sponsor terrorism is an example) and even though Iran is continuing to do that to some degree, it has died down alot.

    So I am supportive of the semi-friendlier policy we are leaning towards with Iran now, at least for the present.

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    I would be curious what anyone would predict if we did invade Iran now and allow a fair ellection. If the country would stick together and terrorism wouldn't increase, then I may support that now. But I have no idea
    We have tried to be friendly and we have tried to work things out. Aminajackoff and his terrorist buddies are not interested in peace. They are interested in supporting terrorism and the destruction of Israel.

    Aminajackoff, The Ayetolietbowl, and the mullah-whores have fixed an election. This is UNACCEPTABLE. The Ayetoiletbowl is a terrorist asshole, the mullahs are little more than a corrupt group of religious gangsters, and the government of Iran is a relic that needs to be smashed into a thousand pieces and then replaced with a modern government that suits the people of Iran.

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    Re: Reports: Turmoil grips Iran as reform candidate arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by F107HyperSabr View Post
    You really have to like the way the Mullahs had the election count done by just after midnight and only hours after the 'polls' closed and they do not have one mechanical much less electronic voting machine in the entire country. So the Mullahs mulled over the count for a few minutes and declared the bad guy the winne by 2:1 margin.

    Ya gotta love them Mullah guys.
    I would love it if they were removed from power and then tarred and feathered in a public square.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Thelost1 View Post
    It is unfortunate and shameful, but I am not in the least astounded or surprised.
    Nor am I.

    I did not expect honesty from the world's leading sponsor of terrorism.

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