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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by NDNdancer View Post
    Reports of police/guard wearing green headbands. Other reports claiming some have defected. These have been circulating since late last night, but so far are unconfirmed.
    This is the crucial question. Revolutions and rebellions prevail when the military and police (or at least portions thereof) break with the ruling government to join the rebels. In every uprising in history, the event that tips the balance to the rebels is large-scale defections within the military and police establishments.

    Rumors are frustratingly tantalizing, but anyone tracking events in Iran should pay especial attention to anything that confirm defections from the military and police to Mousavi's camp. If and when this happens en masse, Khameni's days are numbered. If this does not happen, Khameni is likely to prevail in the end.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    This is the crucial question. Revolutions and rebellions prevail when the military and police (or at least portions thereof) break with the ruling government to join the rebels. In every uprising in history, the event that tips the balance to the rebels is large-scale defections within the military and police establishments.

    Rumors are frustratingly tantalizing, but anyone tracking events in Iran should pay especial attention to anything that confirm defections from the military and police to Mousavi's camp. If and when this happens en masse, Khameni's days are numbered. If this does not happen, Khameni is likely to prevail in the end.
    Believe me, I know how critical this is. I'm searching for any sign of confirmation in vain. But, because it's important, and because there has been confirmation of some of the IIRG being arrested for supporting the protestors, I posted it, with the *unconfirmed* caveat. The moment I have confirmation, I'll post it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by NDNdancer View Post
    Believe me, I know how critical this is. I'm searching for any sign of confirmation in vain. But, because it's important, and because there has been confirmation of some of the IIRG being arrested for supporting the protestors, I posted it, with the *unconfirmed* caveat. The moment I have confirmation, I'll post it.
    Understood, and appreciated. I made mention of it to call everyone's attention to it, so that more than a few sets of eyes are looking for that confirmation.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Understood, and appreciated. I made mention of it to call everyone's attention to it, so that more than a few sets of eyes are looking for that confirmation.
    It's getting more and more difficult to confirm events. Foreign and domestic journalists are under arrest orders to stay in their offices, no photos, no interviews, no being out in the streets. The only journalists defying that order is a couple of BBC guys, bless their bravery and keep them safe! In addition, the tweets coming from inside Iran are sparse and there are increasing numbers of Iranian gov't mis-information tweets to wade through.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Very much so. I've said on this forum many, many times there was a strong dissent movement in Iran, that the people of that country aren't happy. I've always suggested we support them and promote regime change from within. I've been thanked numerous times and people have agreed with me from both sides.

    Now we have a catalyst for regime change in Iran, and all of a sudden it seems that the idea of supporting that movement with real tools that they can use to not only defend themselves with but to actually take down the regime is taboo.

    It all seems so very romantic, so awe inspiring seeing the Iranian people in the streets. And I agree, I am overjoyed. I had hoped for something like this for years. But you don't just let an opportunity like this slip away. The only way the Iranian government will stop this movement is to brutally suppress it by force of arms. If that happens I wonder how many people here will be saying "we should have done something!" How many will criticize the administration for standing idly by while Iranian forces massacre protesters.

    It's all so ridiculous that people will go into convulsions over Iran threatening to obliterate Israel and accuse them of seeking nuclear weapons while calling for direct military action to protect the world from this threat. Of course when someone suggests arming the opposition so that they can do internally what we all seem to want done I'm "not thinking" or I'm wrong.
    I expected more of the do nothing lets watch stuff some are saying then basic agreement that the USA should be doing ALOT more then saying "we're not meddling" which is the weak willed wordage Obama is using.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Throughout the past day or two there have been reports of people being sniped from the tops of buildings. Recently, a video has been uploaded that confirms that demonstrators are being shot from shooters on tops of buildings:

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    WARNING: Somewhat graphic.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    I expected more of the do nothing lets watch stuff some are saying then basic agreement that the USA should be doing ALOT more then saying "we're not meddling" which is the weak willed wordage Obama is using.
    Well, I'm obviously not that guy. This is s very legitimate cause in which we can quite possible do some good.

    If Obama does not engage on this issue in some meaningful way he'll most likely lose my support. Not that it means much, but this is a critical moment in the middle east situation and he should be standing in solidarity with the Iranian people who are asking us for support. He should be moving behind the scenes with his staff and our intelligence community to take advantage of this occasion. Inaction now is throwing away an opportunity the Iranian people have themselves presented to us, they are in the streets and on the web asking for support from all quarters. I don't want U.S. college students on Twitter and Youtube doing more than the U.S. government to help the people of Iran who are desperately fighting for democracy within their country.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    and now the full scale of Dubya's master plan is beginning to be seen by the common folk mwhahahahahahahahaahahh

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

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    and now the full scale of Dubya's master plan is beginning to be seen by the common folk mwhahahahahahahahaahahh
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Dubya who?.......

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