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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

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    Right now, the Iranian protesters are keeping this as non-violent as they can. These are the things we can do to help them. If this becomes a human rights battle, it can be as powerful as guns and bullets.

    In the spirit of Ghandi and MLK.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Confirmation! This is good for the protesters.

    Iran's senior ayatollah slams election, confirming split | McClatchy
    Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009
    Iran's senior ayatollah slams election, confirming split

    By Warren P. Strobel and Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers
    TEHRAN, Iran Supporters of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his main rival in the disputed presidential election, Mir Hossein Mousavi, massed in competing rallies Tuesday as the country's most senior Islamic cleric threw his weight behind opposition charges that Ahmadinejad's re-election was rigged.

    "No one in their right mind can believe" the official results from Friday's contest, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri said of the landslide victory claimed by Ahmadinejad. Montazeri accused the regime of handling Mousavi's charges of fraud and the massive protests of his backers "in the worst way possible."

    "A government not respecting people's vote has no religious or political legitimacy," he declared in comments on his official Web site. "I ask the police and army personals (personnel) not to 'sell their religion,' and beware that receiving orders will not excuse them before God."


    As many as three more protesters were reported killed in clashes during Tuesday's opposition demonstration in Vanak Square adding to eight who were confirmed killed in Monday's protests.

    Foreign news organizations were barred from covering Wednesday's demonstrations, and the source of the report of the latest deaths was a witness known to McClatchy, who asked that his name not be used for his own security.

    Tehran residents, who spoke to a McClatchy reporter on condition that their names not be published, said there was widespread intimidation by thousands of members of the Basij, a hard-line Islamic volunteer militia loyal to the Islamic regime.

    Iranian bloggers reported scattered violence after dark by Basij members.

    Nor were reports of violence limited to the capital.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    MLK succeeded because of politicians passing laws supporting his effort. Iranians have no support like that.
    Ghandi succeeded because of armed revolts against the British for decades but more importantly because of the Japanese and WWII.

    Neither man would have succeeded without inside help or ousted forces.
    If the Iranians try to do that then they should go home now..before they get re-educated like the Chinese where.

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    I've still seen nothing that shows this is going to be anything more then similar to the 1999 and 2003 protests..both lasted about 10 days before both fading away and being put down.



    1989 was 20 years ago.. I saw the same naive stuff about the Chinese as I am seeing here. Hopefully it will not end the same way..BUT if it does it will be a much needed education for some.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And that kind of treatment is very good for them strategically. It humanizes both the riot police and rioters. I think it could lead to police defections. The GC is already ordering the arrest of numerous military leaders they believe are at risk of siding with the protesters.

    Good for the Iranians.
    And this is exactly what crossed my mind when I saw these examples posted.

    Kudos to the "resistance" members who are doing this, it definately shows them in a respectable light.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    MLK succeeded because of politicians passing laws supporting his effort. Iranians have no support like that.
    Yes they do. The reformers have many powerful allies in the government and clergy. They should take advantage of that and lean heavily on those leaders to take down Khamenei and bring about democracy, instead of shunning them for not being ideal leaders.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Iran's senior ayatollah slams election, confirming split?
    what?

    Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri is not a "senior Ayatollah" he;s not even in the government.

    He was kicked out by Khomenie in the late 80's for publicly criticizing mass executions and has spent more time under house arrest likely then free.

    I foyu look at his history he can easily be called a n opportunist.

    Not saying this isn't important for the protesters as he does have clout(why he's still breathing)..just saying its not that important or surprising, he's not what the article seems to imply, he has no role in the government and hasn't for 20 or so years.


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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    MLK succeeded because of politicians passing laws supporting his effort. Iranians have no support like that.
    Ghandi succeeded because of armed revolts against the British for decades but more importantly because of the Japanese and WWII.

    Neither man would have succeeded without inside help or ousted forces.
    If the Iranians try to do that then they should go home now..before they get re-educated like the Chinese where.

    ................................

    I've still seen nothing that shows this is going to be anything more then similar to the 1999 and 2003 protests..both lasted about 10 days before both fading away and being put down.



    1989 was 20 years ago.. I saw the same naive stuff about the Chinese as I am seeing here. Hopefully it will not end the same way..BUT if it does it will be a much needed education for some.
    I don't think that we can predict with any certainty how this is going to play out. One of the major problems is that the US has historically been very very wrong about the internal politics in Iran.

    The Iranian protersters have a much wider base to this protest then they did in 1999 and 2003. AND this time, it's even among the clerics and military. There are lots of reports out there (unconfirmed at this point) about arrests among the elite Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard. One report has 12 arrested, another has 16. There's also tons of reports of the military refusing to fire at the protesters, thus the need for the militia. Again, it's unconfirmed, but it does add up. If that's true, then the power base of the Ayotollah may be crumbling......
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Yes they do. The reformers have many powerful allies in the government and clergy. They should take advantage of that and lean heavily on those leaders to take down Khamenei and bring about democracy, instead of shunning them for not being ideal leaders.
    Sure they do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It appears that there are some possible defections from the Republican Guard. There are reports that over a dozen senior officers were arrested by the Amini regime today for possibly going over to the protesters.

    That was reported yesterday as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And this is exactly what crossed my mind when I saw these examples posted.

    Kudos to the "resistance" members who are doing this, it definately shows them in a respectable light.
    There are reports that the military is refusing to fire on the protesters which means two things:
    1. Explains the need for the militia, who are shooting and;
    2. Explains why there hasn't been a swift, military response.
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