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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Some practical ways individuals can help the protesters.


    Cyberwar guide for Iran elections - Boing Boing

    Cyberwar guide for Iran elections
    Posted by Cory Doctorow, June 16, 2009 3:25 AM | permalink

    Yishay sez, "The road to hell is paved with the best intentions (including mine). Learn how to actually help the protesters and not the gov't in Iran."
    The purpose of this guide is to help you participate constructively in the Iranian election protests through Twitter.
    1. Do NOT publicise proxy IP's over twitter, and especially not using the #iranelection hashtag. Security forces are monitoring this hashtag, and the moment they identify a proxy IP they will block it in Iran. If you are creating new proxies for the Iranian bloggers, DM them to @stopAhmadi or @iran09 and they will distributed them discretely to bloggers in Iran.

    2. Hashtags, the only two legitimate hashtags being used by bloggers in Iran are #iranelection and #gr88, other hashtag ideas run the risk of diluting the conversation.

    3. Keep you bull$hit filter up! Security forces are now setting up twitter accounts to spread disinformation by posing as Iranian protesters. Please don't retweet impetuosly, try to confirm information with reliable sources before retweeting. The legitimate sources are not hard to find and follow.

    4. Help cover the bloggers: change your twitter settings so that your location is TEHRAN and your time zone is GMT +3.30. Security forces are hunting for bloggers using location and timezone searches. If we all become 'Iranians' it becomes much harder to find them.

    5. Don't blow their cover! If you discover a genuine source, please don't publicise their name or location on a website. These bloggers are in REAL danger. Spread the word discretely through your own networks but don't signpost them to the security forces. People are dying there, for real, please keep that in mind..
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
    At present, VOA is blocked in Iran. Our only transmitter is in Qatar. We need to establish a transmitter in Iraq.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
    No no no no nooooooo

    That would be the absolute worst thing that we could possibly do. The Iranian regime is looking for a pretext to clobber the protesters, but it can't easily manufacture one without many members of the police and military refusing to obey and/or defecting to join the protesters.

    Furthermore, if the Iranians decide to topple their government it won't be through a prolonged civil war. It will be through some kind of revolution. Whether it's peaceful like Czechoslovakia or bloody like Romania remains to be seen...but in neither case would it do any good to funnel arms to them.

    For one thing, there has been little indication that the protesters would even welcome American involvement. For another thing, we have no way of getting massive stockpiles of weapons to protesters. For another thing, we don't even know who they are. For another thing, if we gave them to any "big name" protest figures to distribute, they would immediately be arrested. For another thing, the timeline of a potential revolution is much shorter than the timeline of our weapons supply chain. By the time the weapons got there, the government would already be overthrown or the protest would be crushed. And finally, if Iran's government DOES manage to survive (which is still more likely than not) we would be much better off if we had not just funded an armed insurrection against it.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.
    Talk about getting caught up in the excitement and carried away.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    The Iranians will let us know what they need. Right now they just need us to be vigilent and get the word out.



    I keep seeing this, does anyone else know if it's true?

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Nice Analysis by Juan Cole:


    Tuesday, June 16, 2009
    Dueling Demonstrations in Tehran

    Borzou Daragahi reports from Tehran that supporters of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad came out in the tens of thousands to chant "Death to America," "Death to Israel," and "Khamenei is our Leader." This rally, called for 4 pm, was meant to upstage one scheduled at 5 pm by supporters of Mir-Hosain Mousavi. The latter crowd instead staged a small, quiet march on Vali Asr Street in the north of the city.

    Grand Ayatollah Hosain Montazeri, once thought likely to be Khomeini's successor, called for 3 days of mourning for the 12 demonstrators killed on Monday. Montazeri broke with the regime, rejecting an authoritarian interpretation of the 'guardianship of the jurisprudent' or mandatory clerical rule, and is under house arrest in Qom.

    On the other hand, Ali Larijani, the speaker of the Iranian parliament who quit as Ahmadinejad's negotiator on nuclear issues because of the president's confrontational style, nevertheless rallied to his side on Tuesday.

    I'd say that there are three factions: the hard liners, the pragmatic conservatives, and the reformists. Larijani is a hard liner, so what he said is not surprising. If the pragmatic conservatives continue to back Mousavi, however, that is a real challenge to the regime.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It is not prudent to call a regime illegitimate if it may survive and we may need to negotiate with it. If the protesters gain the upper hand, Obama can THEN take sides

    American interference in Iranian politics is NOT desirable to anyone involved. The establishment would use it as a pretext to crack down on the protesters, the protesters would resent American involvement, and the United States would be more likely to have to negotiate with a hardline establishment. But that's exactly what you want.
    According to you and Obama
    ..to me the USA isn't a nefarious evil nation which is the basis for your ability to declare how Iranians would react.

    Who is "them"? Last I checked, the protesters have neither a military nor an intelligence bureau. If there is a revolution, it almost certainly will not be in the form of a civil war. There is no reason to provide "intelligence" to an angry mob which probably knows more about the situation than our government does. That's just retarded.
    "If it goes beyond this point"--
    The "protestors" better have support with guns or they will be slaughtered.
    If they get that support we should support it.
    They wont' if it occurs. Obama will do nothing and you will excuse his doing nothing.
    Next time you try to imply I'm retarded you better respond to what I actually said.


    The fact that you respond to simple questions with such hostility indicates that you know your views are idealistic and indefensible.
    Is this the part where I act like I don't know whats behind talked about?
    Nah I'm not that pathetic.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It is my belief we have been supporting the underground movement for some time. I believe we should step up our support of this new, overt movement and do all we can to help them keep their momentum. I'm talking the funneling of arms and information to the opposition. Assault rifles, sub machine guns, handguns, grenades, and anti-tank weapons. We have massive stockpiles of them in Iraq. Interrupt state run radio and initiate Radio Free Iran.


    If it gets to the point that they actually turn into a revolutionary movement then thats exactly what we should.

    I;d be confident we would do that if anyone else was President.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by NDNdancer View Post
    The Iranians will let us know what they need. Right now they just need us to be vigilent and get the word out.



    I keep seeing this, does anyone else know if it's true?
    I think so.

    HEre are some other sites for you, NDN:

    Why We Protest - IRAN - Powered by vBulletin (anonymous are the guys behind the DDOS attacks on scientology)

    Iran Unrest - twazzup twitter search

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