As I have been saying for years; the mullahs, the ayetoiletbowl, and Aminademonjihad, all need to be removed from power.
As long as Ali Komonkey****er is in control there will be no legitimate government in Iran.
Until a fair election is conducted in Iran, I say hit Iran with the same sanctions I proposed for NK.
I doubt we'll ever know what happened to this election. Unlike the US, they don't keep records for anyone to unearth later.
From Al Jazeera
Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Poll results prompt Iran protests
Thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets of Tehran in protest against the outcome of the country's elections, in the biggest unrest since the 1979 revolution.
Riot police were deployed in the capital on Saturday after about 3,000 supporters of Mir Hossein Mousavi, a reformist candidate, took to the streets following the announcement of his defeat by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the incumbent president.
The protests intensified following a televised speech by Ahmadinejad in which he said the vote had been "completely free" and the outcome was "a great victory" for Iran.Al Jazeera's Teymoor Nabili, reporting from Tehran, said major streets in the north of the city had come to a standstill.
"Coming up the street there were running battles happening between riot police and students and there were refuse bins alight in the middle of the road," he said.
"I saw riot police hitting students with sticks. I saw students - or young people - throwing stones at the riot police, trying to knock them off their motorcycles.
"But you didn't get a sense that there was any kind of organised movement in this."Mehran Kamrava, the director of the centre for international and regional studies, at Georgetown University's campus in Qatar, said that protests in northern Tehran were not necessarily an indication of a rigged ballot.
"The western media has been talking to people in north Tehran, who tend to vote overwhelmingly against Ahmadinejad," he told Al Jazeera.
"But let's not forget that many of the urban Iranians have priorities and proclivities that are not necessarily reflected in other areas of the main cities, and those people could easily have voted for Ahmadinejad.
"Iranian politics have proved themselves to be notoriously unpredictable and this could be one of those instances of unpredictability."But Khameini appeared unlikely to intervene, calling on defeated candidates and their supporters to avoid "provocative behaviour".
Iran does not allow international election monitors.
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I am a Tiki Bar Tarte, do you really think you can Tango with me?!?
"A Nation is not defeated, until the hearts of it's women lay on the ground" Tsitisisis (Cheyenne) saying
Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller
Unless international governments gain concrete proof of the massive fraud--which will likely be covered up by Iran's rulers--they will likely be very cautious in their pronouncements. On one hand, they would like the will of Iran's people to be respected. On the other, if they align themselves against the present Iranian government and that government prevails, they may wind up having cut off all negotiating opportunities on the nuclear issue on account of their opposition. Those are difficult trade-offs.
The conservative clerics (Ayatollah Khamenei and the Council of Guardians) and the Ahmadinejad government are ruthless. They won't go quietly.
If Iran's people attempt to bring down the government--via large protests or even violence--one can expect the Revolutionary Guards, secret police, and other security elements to resort to widespread repression and terror. In a "reign of terror" type situation, opposition leaders, student leaders, and others that the regime finds hostile or suspect opposes it will be dealt with severely.
In the end, if the protests continue to spread, as has been reported this evening, the government will probably give an ultimatum and then move to quash the protests.
It is unfortunate that the will of Iran's people will likely be violated and ignored. But the unelected and unaccountable conservative clerics care little about the will of the people. Their major priority is retaining power.
Hence, I don't believe the protests will escalate to the point of a new Iranian revolution, much less one that would bring down the conservative clerics and Ahmadinejad. The risk of such a revolution might increase if the regime acts ruthlessly against peaceful protests leading to widespread deaths and/or injuries. Then, a more explosive situation could be set off.
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You can argue for that, but I think that would be a very bad idea. We can't have a fractoring of the world into its same old West vs Non-West supporting governments. This is another topic though.
I am leaning to supporting an invasion of an unlegitimate nation (especially if the people seem to be supportive of a regime change, possibly in Iran) but as long as we have the forces to carry it out, and the timing is ideal. The problem is that we are currently in Afganistan and Iraq right now, and I don't believe we will have the forces for that type of action.
If anything, strong sanctions should be on nations that harm other nation's sovernighty (sponsor terrorism is an example) and even though Iran is continuing to do that to some degree, it has died down alot.
So I am supportive of the semi-friendlier policy we are leaning towards with Iran now, at least for the present.
I would be curious what anyone would predict if we did invade Iran now and allow a fair ellection. If the country would stick together and terrorism wouldn't increase, then I may support that now. But I have no idea
Isn't it what has happened in many countries before?
But you're right, I doubt it could happen today in Iran. I still hope that the current regime will loose a maximum of credibility by reacting unadequately, and that it will bring some positive reforms in the future