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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Indeed.

    This is good news for the people of Iran. For the Ayetolietbowl... and his bitches ... not so much.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran 'to hold election recount'

    Iran's powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount disputed votes from Friday's presidential poll.


    Will be very interesting to see the results and how it differs


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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran 'to hold election recount'

    Iran's powerful Guardian Council says it is ready to recount disputed votes from Friday's presidential poll.


    Will be very interesting to see the results and how it differs
    Gotta wonder if they'll actually show the real results, change it to be a closer and more reasonable victory
    for Ahmadonjihad or just leave it as it is.
    I'd bet on the second option.
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Gotta wonder if they'll actually show the real results, change it to be a closer and more reasonable victory
    for Ahmadonjihad or just leave it as it is.
    I'd bet on the second option.
    I bet on the second opinion also, and send best wishes and sympathies to our Persian readers. The birth of democracy is often messy, and not made any easier by the intervention of mullahs. This is why we in America keep religion separated from government.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    We have set up a blog to follow the events as they unfold. We're working as hard as we can to bring it up to date and keep it there, so please check in regularly and be patient:
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    I don't think the western world should underestimate the significance of today in Iran.

    Putting all anti-Obama spin aside (because this is far, far bigger and more significant than partisan politics), the following is a good article.

    Faster, Please! So How’s it Going in Iran?

    To start with, the BBC, long considered a shill for the regime by most Iranian dissidents, estimates between one and two million Tehranis demonstrated against the regime on Monday. That’s a big number. So we can say that, at least for the moment, there is a revolutionary mass in the streets of Tehran. There are similar reports from places like Tabriz and Isfahan, so it’s nationwide.

    For its part, the regime ordered its (Basij and imported Hezbollah) thugs to open fire on the demonstrators. The Guardian, whose reporting from Iran has always been very good (three correspondents expelled in the last ten years, they tell me), thinks that a dozen or so were killed on Monday. And the reports of brutal assaults against student dormitories in several cities are horrifying, even by the mullahs’ low standards.

    What’s going to happen?, you ask. Nobody knows, even the major actors. The regime has the guns, and the opposition has the numbers. The question is whether the numbers can be successfully organized into a disciplined force that demands the downfall of the regime. Yes, I know that there have been calls for a new election, or a runoff between Mousavi and Ahmadinezhad. But I don’t think that’s very likely now. The tens of millions of Iranians whose pent-up rage has driven them to risk life and limb against their oppressors are not likely to settle for a mere change in personnel at this point. And the mullahs surely know that if they lose, many of them will face a very nasty and very brief future.

    If the disciplined force comes into being, the regime will fall. If not, the regime will survive. Can Mousavi lead such a force?

    ....In any event, all of that is irrelevant now. The only thing that matters is winning and losing. Whatever plans Mousavi had for a gradual transformation of the Islamic Republic, they have been overtaken by events; the issue now is the survival of the system. Mousavi has called for a general strike on Tuesday. That is the right strategy, since he must demonstrate that the overwhelming majority of Iranians want an end to the regime. And the dissidents must show that they are not afraid of the thugs. Mousavi has said that they must use flowers, not guns, since he must aim at the disintegration of the armed killers, not at winning a gunfight.


    There are reports of members of the Revolutionary Guards defecting to the dissidents. There is this report from an Iranian website (the only place i’ve seen it) according to which 16 senior Revolutionary Guards officials have been arrested:

    “These commanders have been in contact with members of the Iranian army to join the people’s movement. Three of the commanders are veterans of Iran-Iraq war. They have been moved to an undisclosed location in East Tehran.”

    If true, it’s very important, but, as I have often noted, the regime has distrusted them for some time. The young Islamic revolutionaries of the late 1970s are now middle aged, and do not wish to slaughter their neighbors. That is why the mullahs have imported killers from abroad: the five thousand or so Hezbollahis who, according to Der Spiegel, have been brought in from Lebanon and Syria. Dissidents on Twitter report clashes with security forces who do not speak Farsi, and there are even some rumors suggesting that Chavez has sent some of his toughs from Venezuela. Who knows?

    The other great threat to the regime comes from the upper reaches of the clergy. Do not be surprised to see some senior ayatollahs denounce the regime; many have done so in the past (Ayatollah Montazeri has been under house arrest for years, and Ayatollah Boroujerdi has been subjected to horrible torture for criticizing the lack of freedom in Iran). We are still quite early in this process.

    But the key element is the people. They are only just beginning to understand the reality of their situation. Virtually none of them imagined that they would be in a revolutionary confrontation with the regime just two days after the electoral circus, and few of them can realize, so soon, that they can actually change the world. I think the Mousavis now understand it (they know that they are either going to win or be destroyed). It remains to be seen if they can instruct and inspire the movement.

    Much will depend on their ability to communicate. The regime has been waging a cyberwar against the dissidents, shutting down websites, cell phones, Facebook, and the like. As most people have learned, the basic communiations tool is Twitter, which somehow continues to function. Bigtime Kudos to Twitter, by the way, for postponing its planned maintenance so that the Iranians can continue to Tweet. Would that Google were so solicitous of freedom.

    We don’t know who’s going to win. The Iranian people know that they’re on their own; they aren’t going to get any help from us, or the United Nations, or the Europeans. But paradoxically, this lack of support may strengthen their will. There is no cavalry on the horizon. If they are going to prevail, they and their unlikely leaders will have to gut it out by themselves. God be with them.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    NEW! Daily Koz – Mousavi has been placed under house arrest. He was arrested on his way to Khamenei’s house. All communication has been shut off. Khamenei has issued a statement claiming that HE that he is leading this coup to SAVE the Islamic Government (Nezam)
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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    ICC Press in Turkey: Mass Demonstrations in Iran: “Tanks, bullets, guards, nothing can stop us!” Rise of The Iranian People

    Of course, Al Jazeera is parroting the "Mullah Party Line:"
    Demonstrations at three Tehran universities turned violent, and protesters attacked police and revolutionary guards. The police have sealed off important sites and in turn protesters have attacked shops, government offices, police stations, police vehicles, gas stations and banks.
    No mention at all that the people of Iran have been attacked by police, militia, and the Revolutionary Guard.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 06-16-09 at 12:18 PM.

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    As most people have learned, the basic communiations tool is Twitter, which somehow continues to function. Bigtime Kudos to Twitter, by the way, for postponing its planned maintenance so that the Iranians can continue to Tweet. Would that Google were so solicitous of freedom.
    So evil can be used for good...

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    Re: Riots erupt in Tehran over 'stolen' election

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    ICC Press in Turkey: Mass Demonstrations in Iran: “Tanks, bullets, guards, nothing can stop us!” Rise of The Iranian People

    Of course, Al Jazeera is parroting the "Mullah Party Line:"


    No mention at all that the people of Iran have been attacked by police, militia, and the Revolutionary Guard.
    I suspect that the police do view it as being attacked. These things once they get out of hand get ugly, and everybody feels like the world is out to get them kinda thing.

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