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Kansas Teacher Claims Conservative Views Led to Loss of Job

I wouldn't know. I don't waste time on crap sci-fi. Only the good stuff.

And just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean I don't post it.

Since I am independent, it's not my problem that you have problems with contronting your own misperceptions.

What do I ask when I see a new issue? "How is individual freedom enhanced?" Then I follow the logic, and it usually takes me as far away from anything a proto-democrat or fully grown Demothug would consider. And that means I've followed the correct path.

Thats all well and good, except that that is a conservative prospective. There is a difference between an independant thinker and an independant. Personally I classify you as neither. Only a pompous and partisan person doesn't care what the other side has to say. The democrats are not always wrong. I know that might come as a shock to your closed minded system, but I really don't care. My doubts in your ability to follow the logic are substantial considering you have yet to post a logical argument. No, your rediculous Limbaugh copyrighted diatribes about Liberals do not count as logic sorry. Conservatives nor liberals have a monopoly on truth and you my decieved conservative friend are not always right, even if that happens to be the name of your political Ideology.
 
I wouldn't know. I don't waste time on crap sci-fi. Only the good stuff.

And just because you can't handle the truth doesn't mean I don't post it.

Since I am independent, it's not my problem that you have problems with contronting your own misperceptions.

What do I ask when I see a new issue? "How is individual freedom enhanced?" Then I follow the logic, and it usually takes me as far away from anything a proto-democrat or fully grown Demothug would consider. And that means I've followed the correct path.

Dude read your posts and listen to what you're saying.

You admit you're biased toward democrats. You believe they are wrong on almost everything. You also believe you are on the right side of every issue. Therefore the side you are not on is wrong. Sounds like stubborn and closed-minded. Independent? Not even close.

By being so closed-minded, you are giving up your own free will.

The freedom to choose you hold so dear is limited by your inability to consider any position or views held by the Dems. (or not already held by you)

It is truly fascinating to watch a caged person bolding proclaiming how free he is. You are caged by your own bias and closed-minded thinking.

How are you 'independent' if you won't even consider candidates from one of the two major parties? Independent means you vote for the candidate and not the party. You can't do that.

The collective thinking you so distain actually run a good part of your life.

Resistance is futile.
 
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Thats all well and good, except that that is a conservative prospective.

No. It's the mature perspective. It's the perspective derived from first principles.

There is a difference between an independant thinker and an independant. Personally I classify you as neither.

Then your taxonomy is out of whack.

Only a pompous and partisan person doesn't care what the other side has to say.

Oh, I listen alrighty. And since the logical flaws are as obvious the crack in a plumber's ass, I make note of that, as well. Frankly, there's not much value in a philosophical presentation that's strewn with plumber's buttocks, but it's what the Left likes to show us.

The democrats are not always wrong.

What have they done right since agreeing to the Missouri Compromise?

No, your rediculous Limbaugh copyrighted diatribes about Liberals

You are aware that I've listened to Limbaugh a total of once in the last ten years, right?

No, of course you're not. You're merely following the Left-wing Agenda Playbook that says no such thing as an independent thinker can exist, and all persons not on the socialist team are Rush-bots. You're plugged in, that's clear.

Conservatives nor liberals have a monopoly on truth

I'm neither conservative nor liberal.

You're doing what you people must always do, stop arguing the issues and start fighting your straw men.

Have you ever studied your argument patterns carefully in comparison with Orwell's essay entitled "Politics and the English Language"?
 
You admit you're biased toward democrats.

No. I'm a student of the english language and freely admit that I'm biased against any political party that can be so consistently wrong for such an extraordinary length of time and still capture the emotional palpitations of huge masses of mostly ignorant and largely impulsive people.

When they're wrong all the time, should I not build a bias against their perpetual agenda of slavery and disaster?

You believe they are wrong on almost everything.

Are you claiming they're not?

On what evidence?

You also believe you are on the right side of every issue.

No.

I'm right on most issues. That's different than being "on the right side". I'll not fall into your rhetorical traps, thank you very much.

Therefore the side you are not on is wrong.

Amazing how being right makes that happen, isn't it?

Sounds like stubborn and closed-minded.

Sounds like someone, me, is paying careful attention to what's said, what's done, and what happen when things are all said and done.

How about you? How many flawed and failed Democrat initiatives have you supported? Socialist Security? Medicaid? The Great Society? How about federally funded public education, something that, like the other programs I just mentioned, has absolutely zero constitutional basis? Are you proud that the Untied States spends more money per capita student than any other country in history to have the most self-respecting and least educated high school students in the industrialized world? That one of the successes you want to hold up for your Democrat buddies to be proud of?

By being so closed-minded, you are giving up your own free will.

Wow. It's underlined. Is that a book title, in accordance with proper english usage?

The freedom to choose you hold so dear is limited by your inability to consider any position or views held by the Dems. (or not already held by you)

Yes, clearly I don't have freedom to choose because I choose to reject the Democrat message of messianic hope and empty promises backed by socialist Robbin' Hood style economics that have never worked anywhere and won't work here. Clearly because I reject a failed plan I'm not free and must be getting programming instructions from the USB port in my right (of course) elbow, the one that's connected to my humorous nerve. (And, yes, I can spell "humerus" just fine).

How are you 'independent' if you won't even consider candidates from one of the two major parties? Independent means you vote for the candidate and not the party. You can't do that.

Can't I?

How long does it take to see that The Messiah is a callow shallow inexperienced bumbling fool that isn't ready for prime time and that McCain is a left wing RINO the Democrats have been pushing for the GOP nomination for a dozen years? How hard is it to see that my party of registration, the Libertarian Party, has been hijacked by Republicans too incompetent to make a stand in their own party?

BTW, who did I cast a ballot at in 2008? Why?

You've got me pigeon-holed, I'm sure you can puke up an answer without thinking a bit.

The collective thinking you so distain actually run a good part of your life.

"Thinking" is singular, therefore you should be showing us that you have the "runs" in the above sentence.
 
You are showing your ignorance in the common knowledge that Kansas is overwhelmingly and stupifyingly conservative. Conservative enough that State hearings had to be held to decide whether evolution should be taught in schools. IN 2005!!! In his book "What's the Matter With Kansas", author Thomas Frank


So when you respond to the mention of Kansas being conservative as an "idiotic rant", you run the risk of being identified as an ignorant stooge. :doh

So, just because they wanted to set the record straight in an official capacity that makes them conservative?

I still have see no knowledge except that of a stupid school board hearing that suggests that KANSAS is overwhelmingly conservative.
 
So, just because they wanted to set the record straight in an official capacity that makes them conservative?

I still have see no knowledge except that of a stupid school board hearing that suggests that KANSAS is overwhelmingly conservative.

It is common knowledge that Kansas is conservative, but I'm not doing any more research for you.

ROFL on Scarecrow, who is always RIGHT
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It is common knowledge that Kansas is conservative, but I'm not doing any more research for you.

ROFL on Scarecrow, who is always RIGHT
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It is common knowledge that Lawrence KS is the San Fransisco of Kansas.
 
No. I'm a student of the english language and freely admit that I'm biased against any political party that can be so consistently wrong for such an extraordinary length of time and still capture the emotional palpitations of huge masses of mostly ignorant and largely impulsive people.

When they're wrong all the time, should I not build a bias against their perpetual agenda of slavery and disaster?

Fine, sit there in your little cage of self-deception. Make your insipid little remarks and ignore the fact that you are not independent of anything.

You are so bound by your own bias you can't even see it.



I'm right on most issues. That's different than being "on the right side". I'll not fall into your rhetorical traps, thank you very much.

Oh, sure... If you're always right, why even bother to consider an opinion that is contrary to your own? You completely surrender your own free thought and free will. It's called a cage. And don't worry, inside your cage, there are no 'traps'. You're safe there. Maybe that's the appeal.




Sounds like someone, me, is paying careful attention to what's said, what's done, and what happen when things are all said and done.

Actually, you only pay attention to that which confirms your own preconceived notions. You block out or dismiss that which confronts your beliefs and therefore remain in a constant state of comfortable, blissful, self-imposed imprisonment.

How about you? How many flawed and failed Democrat initiatives have you supported? Socialist Security? Medicaid? The Great Society?

See how biased you are. You're not independent. You make these sweeping statements about all Democratic programs, ignoring historical context, clinging to a simplistic partisan critique.

Does that sound like an 'independent' thinker?? Independent of thought.

Hint: Critical thinking is the key to unlocking the cage you currently reside in.



Wow. It's underlined. Is that a book title, in accordance with proper english usage?

Oh, listen to Mr. Proper English Usage... Wow, I underlined something so it must be a book title???:roll: It can't be something I think is important and want to call the readers attention to.

You didn't read it or couldn't respond to it, so just went for some stupid remark on Proper English --WTFrig does that mean. No, don't respond. Cause it means nothing except you couldn't handle the criticism.



Yes, clearly I don't have freedom to choose because I choose to reject the Democrat message of messianic hope and empty promises backed by socialist Robbin' Hood style economics that have never worked anywhere and won't work here. Clearly because I reject a failed plan I'm not free and must be getting programming instructions from the USB port in my right (of course) elbow, the one that's connected to my humorous nerve. (And, yes, I can spell "humerus" just fine).

Look at your responses. You've already made up your mind on all future policies by President Obama. By becoming such a partisan sheep, you give up the freedom to objectively look at his policies.



How long does it take to see that The Messiah is a callow shallow inexperienced bumbling fool that isn't ready for prime time and that McCain is a left wing RINO the Democrats have been pushing for the GOP nomination for a dozen years? How hard is it to see that my party of registration, the Libertarian Party, has been hijacked by Republicans too incompetent to make a stand in their own party?

Until you accept that President Obama is smarter and more successful in his life than you will ever be, you lack the maturity to evaluate him and his policies.
 
Fine, sit there in your little cage of self-deception.

Ain't goinna happen, I refuse to become a Democrat.

Oh, listen to Mr. Proper English Usage... Wow, I underlined something so it must be a book title???:roll: It can't be something I think is important and want to call the readers attention to.

Well, no, it wasn't anything important to me.

That's what's important to everyone.

Look at your responses. You've already made up your mind on all future policies by President Obama. By becoming such a partisan sheep, you give up the freedom to objectively look at his policies.

No. When he presents a policy that makes sense, we'll all know about it, because the liberal world will start squealing like little girls with spiders in their hair.

Until you accept that President Obama is smarter and more successful in his life than you will ever be, you lack the maturity to evaluate him and his policies.

Is he smarter? Or just more totally dishonest than even your usual Democrat, outside of the Clintons, the standard bearers of pathological deceit?
 
No. When he presents a policy that makes sense, we'll all know about it, because the liberal world will start squealing like little girls with spiders in their hair.

Listen to Mr. Independent!! What a frigin' joke!
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....seems to me like the inauguration of a president would be something worth watching on T.V. regardless of your political leaning. Kids will see how many inaugurations during their high school year? Once? Twice? I think it'd be something worth discussing in any history class....

That is YOUR opinion. This debate is not about YOUR opinions about what should or should not be taught but rather how is his behavior anything remotely justifying getting fired?

This teacher clearly states that he didn't and wouldn't show Bush's either and based on student comments is relatively unbiased in his course teachings.

My kids get blathered with Liberal think in school all the time. Should those teachers get fired? How about teachers who teach the UNPROVED idea of man-caused Global Warming, should they be fired?
 
That is YOUR opinion. This debate is not about YOUR opinions about what should or should not be taught but rather how is his behavior anything remotely justifying getting fired?

This teacher clearly states that he didn't and wouldn't show Bush's either and based on student comments is relatively unbiased in his course teachings.

My kids get blathered with Liberal think in school all the time. Should those teachers get fired? How about teachers who teach the UNPROVED idea of man-caused Global Warming, should they be fired?

Well can you prove that this is what he got fired over?
 
No. It's the mature perspective. It's the perspective derived from first principles.

I think it might be difficult to have a mature perspective when you are too immature to even consider the other side's opinion

Then your taxonomy is out of whack.

No, my point would be that you are a sadly decieved person with the independance of a two month old baby.

Oh, I listen alrighty. And since the logical flaws are as obvious the crack in a plumber's ass, I make note of that, as well. Frankly, there's not much value in a philosophical presentation that's strewn with plumber's buttocks, but it's what the Left likes to show us.

Which makes you a member of the right. So, you don't believe our society has to help those who can't help themselves? Or that our government has a duty to take appropriate steps to protect our economy?

What have they done right since agreeing to the Missouri Compromise?

Hmmm, let's see here. This is tough.
Led us throught World War II, perhaps?

You are aware that I've listened to Limbaugh a total of once in the last ten years, right?

No, of course you're not. You're merely following the Left-wing Agenda Playbook that says no such thing as an independent thinker can exist, and all persons not on the socialist team are Rush-bots. You're plugged in, that's clear.

No I am saying that you sound like Rush Limbaugh, that whether you listen to him or not you are as dogmatic and narrow minded as he is.

I'm neither conservative nor liberal.
You know, you're right. You aren't a conservative, you are a flaming conservative.

You're doing what you people must always do, stop arguing the issues and start fighting your straw men.
Actually I am not arguing with any straw men. I am, however, arguing with your straw brain. As a "student of the English language" you should know that your indicates possesion. I do not own any straw men, nor would I bother to argue with inanimate objects if I did.

Have you ever studied your argument patterns carefully in comparison with Orwell's essay entitled "Politics and the English Language"?

yes, I have copied and pasted my arguments from an online debating forum to word and examined them against the writings of a radically Conservative auther who lived during the Cold War. Yes, conservative by Russian standards as in he did not agree with Communism. I freely admit that I do not know how conservative he would be by today's standards.
 
It isn't nearly as laughable as your notion of you being a "Moderate." :rofl

Wow, I post explanations of my opinions. Make analogies, use evidence from his own posts to question his claim of being 'independent'.

And what do you do Truth Detector? Nothing. You make a statement without any backup, any explanation, or thought at all.

Great. Well done. You sure put me in my place.:roll::roll:

Did you even read the all posts related to my assertion and attempt to articulate why my criticism was unfounded...?? Or did you drop in to TROLL?

Detect this truth -- You're busted TROLL.
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Well, can you prove that he wasn't fired because of his political views?

I'm not require to prove a negative. It's a logical fallacy.

You have just as much information as we do. That being the word of a fired employee, the word of a hyper emotional adolescent, and a whole lot of conjecture and guessing.

So I will answer the question for you. No, you cannot prove anything you just asserted at this time.
 
Well, can you prove that he wasn't fired because of his political views?

No, that is exactly the point we have been trying to make for twenty some pages. WE DON'T KNOW WHY HE WAS FIRED OR WHAT ROLE, IF ANY, HIS VIEWS PLAYED IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Wow, I post explanations of my opinions. Make analogies, use evidence from his own posts to question his claim of being 'independent'.

And what do you do Truth Detector? Nothing. You make a statement without any backup, any explanation, or thought at all.

Great. Well done. You sure put me in my place.:roll::roll:

Did you even read the all posts related to my assertion and attempt to articulate why my criticism was unfounded...?? Or did you drop in to TROLL?

Detect this truth -- You're busted TROLL.
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Although I appreciate your wordy diatribe, this does not remove the fact that you made a condescending arrogant post laughing at Akhbars "independence."

What is ironic is your response to me; as if you had anything that actually was supportive of your insulting condescension towards Akhbar which had NOTHING to do with the thread topic.

Based on our previous debates, the notion that you are NOT a Liberal requires the willing suspension of disbelief. Perhaps your own notions about what is a "moderate" are what confuse you and not my assertion that yours is more laughable than your insults directed at Akhbar's independence?

As for trolling, let me use a perfect example of a trolling post:

Listen to Mr. Independent!! What a frigin' joke!
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What is more ironic is the hypocrisy of your own trolling behavior and you calling me a troll.

Carry on.
 
Although I appreciate your wordy diatribe, this does not remove the fact that you made a condescending arrogant post laughing at Akhbars "independence."

What is ironic is your response to me; as if you had anything that actually was supportive of your insulting condescension towards Akhbar which had NOTHING to do with the thread topic.

Based on our previous debates, the notion that you are NOT a Liberal requires the willing suspension of disbelief. Perhaps your own notions about what is a "moderate" are what confuse you and not my assertion that yours is more laughable than your insults directed at Akhbar's independence?

As for trolling, let me use a perfect example of a trolling post:



What is more ironic is the hypocrisy of your own trolling behavior and you calling me a troll.

Carry on.

No, just stop. Really? No evidence? Speaking as the person who had been arguing with Scarecrow on this thread the longest, go back and look at his previous posts. No one who is an independant talks like that.
 
I'm not require to prove a negative. It's a logical fallacy.

You have just as much information as we do. That being the word of a fired employee, the word of a hyper emotional adolescent, and a whole lot of conjecture and guessing.

So I will answer the question for you. No, you cannot prove anything you just asserted at this time.

Well Jallman, as soon as you can find where I "asserted" any reasons for his firing I will be happy to answer whatever question you want to postulate. But seeing that I have NOT asserted any reasons as to why this guy was fired, why don't you explain why you falsley claim I am making assertions here?

Good lord, do you READ before you TYPE? :roll:

Here’s my post you responded to, please highlight where I made any assertions relating to the reason this teacher was fired:

That is YOUR opinion. This debate is not about YOUR opinions about what should or should not be taught but rather how is his behavior anything remotely justifying getting fired?

This teacher clearly states that he didn't and wouldn't show Bush's either and based on student comments is relatively unbiased in his course teachings.

My kids get blathered with Liberal think in school all the time. Should those teachers get fired? How about teachers who teach the UNPROVED idea of man-caused Global Warming, should they be fired?

The logical fallacy of your own emotionally hyperbolic posts supersedes any you “perceive” others have made.
 
No, just stop. Really? No evidence? Speaking as the person who had been arguing with Scarecrow on this thread the longest, go back and look at his previous posts. No one who is an independant talks like that.

The last time I looked at the thread topic, it was about a Conservative Teacher who felt he was fired for his "conservative" views, not whether or not Akhbar's self proclaimed "Independence" is at question.

Why don't we also debate how Hazlnut's may not accurately portray his "Liberal" views or how yours are not anything remotely connected to "Conservative" and really de-rail the thread?

Carry on. :roll:
 
well jallman, as soon as you can find where i "asserted" any reasons for his firing i will be happy to answer whatever question you want to postulate. But seeing that i have not asserted any reasons as to why this guy was fired, why don't you explain why you falsley claim i am making assertions here?

Good lord, do you read before you type? :roll:

Here’s my post you responded to, please highlight where i made any assertions relating to the reason this teacher was fired:



The logical fallacy of your own emotionally hyperbolic posts supersedes any you “perceive” others have made.

I am going to post this again, because apparently you have missed it the other twenty times. I'll even bold the important parts for you.
Yes the teacher says he wouldn't show Bush's, but he could be lying, or he could be telling the truth. We don't know! That's the point
 
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Well Jallman, as soon as you can find where I "asserted" any reasons for his firing I will be happy to answer whatever question you want to postulate. But seeing that I have NOT asserted any reasons as to why this guy was fired, why don't you explain why you falsley claim I am making assertions here?

Good lord, do you READ before you TYPE? :roll:

Here’s my post you responded to, please highlight where I made any assertions relating to the reason this teacher was fired:



The logical fallacy of your own emotionally hyperbolic posts supersedes any you “perceive” others have made.

Your implications were clear no matter how much you try to backpedal out of them.

I suggest your tone change with a quickness if you intend to even front the idea that this is a civil conversation.
 
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well jallman, as soon as you can find where i "asserted" any reasons for his firing i will be happy to answer whatever question you want to postulate. But seeing that i have not asserted any reasons as to why this guy was fired, why don't you explain why you falsley claim i am making assertions here?

Good lord, do you read before you type?

Here’s my post you responded to, please highlight where i made any assertions relating to the reason this teacher was fired:

The logical fallacy of your own emotionally hyperbolic posts supersedes any you “perceive” others have made.

i am going to post this in all caps, because apparently you have missed it the other twenty times. I'll even bold the important parts for you.
yes the teacher says he wouldn't so bushes, but he could be lying, or he could be telling the truth. we don't knowthat's the point

Where does one begin with such nonsense; I don't see any caps and what the hell does this have to do with my comments to Jallman? :roll:

Perhaps you need some help connecting the dots.
 
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