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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    There will be no liberty for the people of Iran until they take matters into their own hands and throw of the shackles of theocratic oppression through armed revolution. The Mullahs will not freely give up one iota of power on their own unless they are made to do so at gun point.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    The outcome is disappointing. While a reformist victory was never assured, the kind of runaway victory reported for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is inconsistent with the polling just before the election that showed a fairly close race and good prospects of a run-off.

    It is quite likely that the conservative clerics led by Ayatollah Khamenei worked behind the scenes to produce the outcome. Khamenei was not a neutral bystander in the election process. He actively worked to secure an Ahmadinejad re-election. For example, on May 19, 2009, The Los Angeles Times reported:

    Iran's most powerful political and spiritual leader warned voters Monday against supporting pro-Western candidates in next month's presidential election, comments widely seen as supporting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's approach to foreign policy over those of his challengers.

    "Those who submit to the enemies and bring shame on the nation should not come to power by the people's vote," Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said during a speech in the western town of Bijar.

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    Re: Mousavi wins Iran election with 65 percent of vote: top aide

    The Iranian system is nothing like that of the U.S..
    Different titles, different people, same general procedure. Nobody in the U.S. gets within actual winning distance of the White House that hasn't been properly groomed and vetted by one of the Establishment's 'parties'. That definitely includes Obama as well, despite all the smoke and hubris put out by the likes of Daily Kos and the National Review.

    The last big scare for the Establishment was George McGovern, due to a weakness in the Democratic Party's procedures, but that flaw was corrected in 1984, by implementing the 'Super Delegate' scheme, which once and for all made any sort of populist threat from that wing utterly impossible.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Well Israel has made it clear that it's not going to solve the Iranian problem for the West.
    It is YOU who are 'on your own'.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...post1058060426
    Lieberman tells reporters in Moscow that other countries in region, around world should be concerned
    about Islamic republic's nuclear program but should not expect Israel to solve this problem for them
    Why should we be worried?
    No offence but it is not the west he has threatened nor are we surrounded by hostile countries that doesn't want us there.
    I'm almost 100% certain UK will not suddenly be under attack from Iran in ME so it is num 10 on my 'to worry' list. It is Israel who is in danger, not the west.
    It has been your leader who has been harping and whining on about Iran non stop since he has been elected. So yes, we'll do fine 'on our own'
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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why should we be worried?
    No offence but it is not the west he has threatened nor are we surrounded by hostile countries that doesn't want us there.
    I'm almost 100% certain UK will not be suddenly under attack from Iran in ME so it is num 10 on my 'to worry' list. It is Israel who is in danger, not the west.
    It has been your leader who has been harping and whining on about Iran non stop since he has been elected. So yes, we'll do fine 'on our own'
    Um they have regular state sponsored "death to America" rallies in Iran.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um they have regular state sponsored "death to America" rallies in Iran.
    So? Such rallies have always been around
    There are death to 'UK' rallies all over ME and has been there for some time.

    Hand on heart, do you really think Iran would attack a country with the most Nukes in the world AND has had a history of using it?
    I don't think so.

    Iran is all talk no action. It hasn't started a war for decades.
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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Well, from what I've read, Iranian polls are notoriously misleading. The same thing happened las time Ahmadinejad was elected. The polls in no way showed that he was ahead.

    Anyway, this totally sucks for Iran. Very disappointing results.
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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Why should we be worried?
    You don't have as much time and insulation as you think. The next generation Shahab missile will include Europe in its target universe. This is precisely why the normally passive European Union is almost frantic it its carrot/stick approach to Iran's nuclear ambitions.

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    Re: Ahmadinejad re-elected in Iran, Mousavi cries foul

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    You don't have as much time and insulation as you think. The next generation Shahab missile will include Europe in its target universe. This is precisely why the normally passive European Union is almost frantic it its carrot/stick approach to Iran's nuclear ambitions.
    It hasn't even got Nukes yet, it'll take years to get to that stage

    But would they use it? I doubt it seeing it is not the west that seemed to have inspired their new found love of Nukes


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    Re: Mousavi wins Iran election with 65 percent of vote: top aide

    Quote Originally Posted by Picaro View Post
    Different titles, different people, same general procedure.
    Really we have an unelected head of state and all national candidates must be pre-screened by an organization which is half selected by that unelected leader and the other half is selected by pre-screened electorates who were vetted by that very same organization?

    Nobody in the U.S. gets within actual winning distance of the White House that hasn't been properly groomed and vetted by one of the Establishment's 'parties'.
    Ya um, ever hear of a primary? It is the citizenry within the party who decide who wins the primary.

    That definitely includes Obama as well, despite all the smoke and hubris put out by the likes of Daily Kos and the National Review.

    The last big scare for the Establishment was George McGovern, due to a weakness in the Democratic Party's procedures, but that flaw was corrected in 1984, by implementing the 'Super Delegate' scheme, which once and for all made any sort of populist threat from that wing utterly impossible.
    Candidates unsupported by superdelegates are often the winners of the primaries. For example John Kerry won the primary even though Howard Dean had the backing of the superdelegates.

    The two systems are not even remotely the same, there is nothing like the Guardian council or the Supreme Leader within the U.S. electoral system.

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