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    Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    If they limited all companies and businesses from telling teenagers about prospective career choices then these ordinances could be seen as a fair or not some hippy military hating douche bag ordinances.

    I bet if the government told them no flag burning, no anti-American trash called art on tax payer funded property, no letting minors have access to porn and no airing classified information these people would be up in arms screaming about 1st amendment rights.

    Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting
    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two towns nestled in the rugged coastline and the liberal politics of Northern California have fought the federal government by banning the U.S. military from recruiting minors within their city limits. Now the federal government is fighting back.

    Arcata—a town known for taking a stand against the USA Patriot Act and repeatedly passing symbolic measures to impeach President George W. Bush—approved in November an ordinance that would limit Armed Forces recruiters' ability to contact people under 18. And so did nearby Eureka, the Humboldt County seat.

    The Department of Justice took the towns to court in December over their Youth Protection Acts, alleging they were attempting to interfere with the government's ability to raise an army and protect the country. The department has said the ordinances are believed to be the only ones in the country with such blanket restrictions.

    A federal judge is expected to rule on the case in coming days.

    "We fully expected a challenge, and we got it," said David Meserve, 60, a builder of environmentally friendly homes and former Arcata City Council member who spearheaded the measure. "But more importantly, people are becoming aware there is a problem—and the problem is the recruiting of minors."

    Although people must be 18 to enlist—or 17 with parental permission—recruiting manuals cited in the cities' court filings show that contact with much younger children is encouraged.

    "You will find that establishing trust and credibility with students, even seventh- and eighth-graders, can positively impact your high school and post-secondary school recruiting effort," reads The Recruiter Handbook, published in 2008 by the United States Army Recruiting Command.

    The push to reach the young makes sense. A 2007 Department of Defense study found that at 16 years old, more than 25 percent of students considered joining the Armed Forces. By the time they were 21, only 15 percent considered joining.

    Towns and high school campuses around the country have tried to thwart the military's access to their underage students. Berkeley declared that recruiters positioned within view of its high school were "unwelcome intruders." San Francisco school board members moved to rid public schools of Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps but this week restored the program.

    Counter-recruiters across the country have sought to inform students of their perspective on military service in times of war. They also tell parents how to opt out of having their child's contact information released to recruiters—a requirement for schools receiving federal funds under the No Child Left Behind Act.

    Allen Weiner, a senior lecturer in law at Stanford Law School, said he knows of no other cities besides Arcata and Eureka that have passed ordinances banning military officials within their boundaries from initiating contact with minors with the intent of attracting them to any branch of the military.
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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    As a soldier myself I find this very disgusting and unAmerican but I feel that is the right of a city to do this. I think what the GOV should do is withhold all the federal funds that go to that city. No more federal money for schools roads or anything. You dont want to support your country your country shouldt support you.

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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    As a soldier myself I find this very disgusting and unAmerican but I feel that is the right of a city to do this. I think what the GOV should do is withhold all the federal funds that go to that city. No more federal money for schools roads or anything. You dont want to support your country your country shouldt support you.
    I would also like to add no military to defend your sorry ass town either along with the no federal money for schools roads and etc..
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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    The military is an excellent career for many. These towns are doing a great disservice to their youth. I think this is pretty stupid and I agree that federal funding should be pulled...though I don't think it is legal to do that. I hope the judge rules against these stupid towns.
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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Although people must be 18 to enlist—or 17 with parental permission—recruiting manuals cited in the cities' court filings show that contact with much younger children is encouraged.

    "You will find that establishing trust and credibility with students, even seventh- and eighth-graders, can positively impact your high school and post-secondary school recruiting effort," reads The Recruiter Handbook, published in 2008 by the United States Army Recruiting Command.
    Since it is a recruiter's job to recruit people, this seems only reasonable. If the parents don't want their kids going into the military, they should work to provide them with more appealing alternatives, not attempt to ban recruting altogether.

    I wonder, is banning a recruiter from recruiting an infringment on free speach?
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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Un-American trash.

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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    I'm a Swede so maybe I just don't understand you American but can't you see it as very pro America and pro military? That you signal that being part of the military is much more serious and important job then working at McDonalds. That you don't want people joining up because it's really cool to go and shot some bad guys in a foreign country like in a videogame. Instead you want grown up professional recruits that knows both the benefits and privileges as well as the challenges, risk and responsiblities with joining the military.

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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If they limited all companies and businesses from telling teenagers about prospective career choices then these ordinances could be seen as a fair or not some hippy military hating douche bag ordinances.

    I bet if the government told them no flag burning, no anti-American trash called art on tax payer funded property, no letting minors have access to porn and no airing classified information these people would be up in arms screaming about 1st amendment rights.

    Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting
    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Two towns nestled in the rugged coastline and the liberal politics of Northern California have fought the federal government by banning the U.S. military from recruiting minors within their city limits. Now the federal government is fighting back.

    Arcata—a town known for taking a stand against the USA Patriot Act and repeatedly passing symbolic measures to impeach President George W. Bush—approved in November an ordinance that would limit Armed Forces recruiters' ability to contact people under 18. And so did nearby Eureka, the Humboldt County seat.

    The Department of Justice took the towns to court in December over their Youth Protection Acts, alleging they were attempting to interfere with the government's ability to raise an army and protect the country. The department has said the ordinances are believed to be the only ones in the country with such blanket restrictions.

    A federal judge is expected to rule on the case in coming days.

    "We fully expected a challenge, and we got it," said David Meserve, 60, a builder of environmentally friendly homes and former Arcata City Council member who spearheaded the measure. "But more importantly, people are becoming aware there is a problem—and the problem is the recruiting of minors."

    Although people must be 18 to enlist—or 17 with parental permission—recruiting manuals cited in the cities' court filings show that contact with much younger children is encouraged.

    "You will find that establishing trust and credibility with students, even seventh- and eighth-graders, can positively impact your high school and post-secondary school recruiting effort," reads The Recruiter Handbook, published in 2008 by the United States Army Recruiting Command.

    The push to reach the young makes sense. A 2007 Department of Defense study found that at 16 years old, more than 25 percent of students considered joining the Armed Forces. By the time they were 21, only 15 percent considered joining.

    Towns and high school campuses around the country have tried to thwart the military's access to their underage students. Berkeley declared that recruiters positioned within view of its high school were "unwelcome intruders." San Francisco school board members moved to rid public schools of Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps but this week restored the program.

    Counter-recruiters across the country have sought to inform students of their perspective on military service in times of war. They also tell parents how to opt out of having their child's contact information released to recruiters—a requirement for schools receiving federal funds under the No Child Left Behind Act.

    Allen Weiner, a senior lecturer in law at Stanford Law School, said he knows of no other cities besides Arcata and Eureka that have passed ordinances banning military officials within their boundaries from initiating contact with minors with the intent of attracting them to any branch of the military.
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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by Bergslagstroll View Post
    I'm a Swede so maybe I just don't understand you American but can't you see it as very pro America and pro military? That you signal that being part of the military is much more serious and important job then working at McDonalds. That you don't want people joining up because it's really cool to go and shot some bad guys in a foreign country like in a videogame. Instead you want grown up professional recruits that knows both the benefits and privileges as well as the challenges, risk and responsiblities with joining the military.
    The people who made those ordinances did not do so because they wanted teenagers to think more seriously about joining the military nor did they make those ordinances to improve the ranks or quality of service members in the military. They made these ordinances to cut down on the military's numbers. It is the same reason Berkly California tried to drive out the Marine recruiters and code pink was practically given a license by Berkly to annoy the **** out of the Marines by Berkly. Their reasons for wanting to reduce the numbers of military recruits is because they are against the military,former president Bush, the Iraq war, possibly the Afghanistan war and any other future wars as well.


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    Re: Calif. towns challenge feds on military recruiting

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I think this is pretty stupid and I agree that federal funding should be pulled...though I don't think it is legal to do that.
    Well they can pull federal funding for highways to a state if the state doesn't adopt the 21 drinking age, so I'm wondering if there is something similar they can do with the towns?

    The military is a great career field for some and recruiters should not be banned from a city.

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