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    Cool Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Government may help in making it affordable at the clinic or hospital but the cost is way to high at the government level, IMHO.

    Health care will be fixed by allowing it to be privatized and helping remove the outrageous inflation imposed by huge insurance companies with the goal to strong arm anyone not wanting to invest in insurance.
    After reading through everyone's posts that state the American people will be taxed more for a universal health care system such as the one France has, and reading most everyone is pissed off one way or another about our health care. Whether it be Medicare/Medicaid , private health insurances, or whatever the case may be, everyone seems pissed off about our health care as a whole.

    You say that by having a universal health care system, where everyone is able to walk into a hospital and be seen by a dr. without having to pay a dime, is going to cost too much in tax dollars. You say that the employers are paying too much to provide their employees with health insurance. You say that the Medicare/Medicaid is crumbling. You say that private insurance companies are charging too much because the cost of visiting a dr or getting a prescription is so high causing us to be reliant upon health insurance.

    Do you guys realize that not only our prisoners in this country, but also our terrorist detainees, receive free, weekly medical treatment, and in most cases their medical care is of higher quality than that of which our insurance companies provide? But we have to pay premiums, deductibles, and co-pays for our insurance.....seems a little wrong if you ask me.

    Well, I hate to interrupt anyone's arguments, but, please explain to me how having your taxes go up, let's say even by 3-5%, would be more expensive than paying not only your monthly insurance premium, but also any deductibles or co-pays those same insurance companies charge? The reason our health care is in chaos, must be because not only most everyone on here but most everyone I've personally talked to regarding this issue seems to dislike some portion of our health care system, is because everything is not universal. We have all these different companies like Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield, we have the government provided medicare/medicaid, and we have other private insurance companies......all charging different prices and covering expenses based on different basis.

    We pay high premiums for one reason and one reason only........no regulations as to how much insurance companies can charge. No regulations as to how much drug manufacturers can charge. No regulations on how much doctors can charge. There is no regulation at all. We are just goats led to believe that we have great health care. I hope that none of you have to find out what I'm talking about when your insurance company that you so highly regard, denies you coverage for a procedure you desperately need and you have to fight with them. I've personally seen this happen in numerous situations, my mom being 1 person in particular who had to go through the flaming hoops her insurance company threw at her, and myself when I got on my employer's health care plan. I had surgeries on both my knees growing up from football injuries, after I got health insurance this past year I went to the clinic due to knee pain. I got a bill in the mail for a 30 minute dr visit for over $8,000 and the insurance wouldn't cover any of it because they said it was a "preexisting condition". Once again, just another way of getting out of paying for someone's medical treatment and putting more money into the company's pocket.

    If we have 1 universal health care system, so what if our taxes go up 3-5% to cover the charges, that won't cost anything to see a doctor and a minimal charge for prescriptions, that would solve all this "I hate private insurance companies cause they charge too much" and "medicare and medicaid is diminishing" and being in debt for the rest of your life because you had to take a ride in an ambulance, which in most cases is not covered by the insurance companies because it was not pre approved, and had to have emergency surgery to save your life that's not covered by your health insurance which you pay high premiums to have coverage.

    The funny thing is, when asked their opinions about their health care systems, France and Canada's citizens both said they absolutely love it. While we are all arguing about our health care in America, which for the most part our citizens believe that there needs to be things changed, other countries who are made out to be 2nd or 3rd world countries aren't concerned about getting into a car wreck and having to be rushed to the hospital because they know they won't be in debt for the rest of their lives trying to pay off all the expenses their insurance company doesn't cover. Must be nice!

    The people who like and defend their health insurance policy are the people who have been fortunate enough to have not been screw over by them......yet
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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    HC reform needs to happen. It concerns me that the administration is beating the drums to get it done fast. With the estimates of deficits running into the teens of trillions and his 'jobs not lost' slight of hand Obama is running out of political capital. Still, he is a highly capable politician who's team has placed an emphasis with working with congress.I don't have a lot of faith in Congress and I hope the president gets it right. We cannot afford another expensive debacle. Take it easy and get it right.

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Government inaction. That alone would trend costs downward. Government involvement is called inflation.
    Whatever happen to good ole gridlock?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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