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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Shep Dawg View Post
    GREEN BAY, Wis. - Surrounded by supportive citizens in the heartland, President Barack Obama challenged lawmakers back in Washington who criticize his proposed health care overhaul. "What's the alternative?" he said Thursday.


    What is the alternative?
    Buy a private policy...assuming you even want coverage.

    That's it. Pretty easy.

    If the government feels that it wants to help, it can offer a tax credit.
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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    I'm still waiting for one example of government making something actually cheaper. Government has had the chance for thousands of years. If they haven't done it by now I'm not going to start trusting this.

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    What would benefit President Obama's healthcare reform agenda, is if he could prove his ideas would work, by fixing Medicare/Medicaid issues first.
    And yet NO ONE is talking about this looming disaster on the horizon while they talk about spending another $1.2 trillion they do not have and work on plans to increase EVERYONE's taxes by TAXING the employed health care benefits as income.

    Yep folks, they have only been in power for six months and the criminal like spending continues without a SINGLE debate about how to pay for it all.

    The only thing MORE laughable about this moron "post turtle" is his speech about pay-go.

    Hang on people, get the KY out and bend over; the Democrats are in charge!

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Wrong; healthcare will get fixed by allowing MORE competition and removing idiotic regulations that make healthcare EXPENSIVE. One example would be California's requirement of forcing hospitals to provide care to illegal aliens.

    Healthcare prices are regulated by insurance companies on the cap they are willing to pay, which is significantly higher then 99% of the country can pay. This make the populace dependent on insurance companies to have health care. How exactly can their be competition in a non free market?

    What does illegal aliens have to do with my doctor charging $8k for a 10 minute procedure?
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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Healthcare prices are regulated by insurance companies on the cap they are willing to pay, which is significantly higher then 99% of the country can pay. This make the populace dependent on insurance companies to have health care. How exactly can their be competition in a non free market?

    What does illegal aliens have to do with my doctor charging $8k for a 10 minute procedure?
    A medical union which is the only institution that can give out medical licenses tends to make prices much more expensive than they otherwise would be. It's not a free monopoly, it's a government-sanctioned monopoly. HUGE difference.

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Healthcare prices are regulated by insurance companies on the cap they are willing to pay, which is significantly higher then 99% of the country can pay. This make the populace dependent on insurance companies to have health care. How exactly can their be competition in a non free market?

    What does illegal aliens have to do with my doctor charging $8k for a 10 minute procedure?
    Healthcare prices are not regulated. They are set by the health care providers and insurance companies negotiate with selected providers for GROUP rates.

    You spew a lot of hyperbole with little to support your farcical claims that they charge prices 99% cannot afford to pay.

    But it is equally farcical to support the idea that when Government gets involved in ANYTHING prices go down; whenever Government gets involved the costs to do business go up across the board.

    States increase the costs to get health care by actually limiting the companies that can do business in the State with their burdensom regulations.

    Like I stated, the FACT is that healthcare costs go down when there is MORE comptetition, LESS government intervention, if we implement tort reform to bring down the cost of liability and if people actually controlled paying for their health care and were actually engaged by seeing the bills before payments were paid.

    Unfortunately our education system is pumping out complete ignoramuses who couldn't read a bill or a contract if their lives depended on it and think that being a WARD of the State is the best alternative.

    It begs the question; why do you so desperately want to be a ward of the Government?

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Eliminate third-party payment and make everyone pay for everything themselves.

    Free market competition will lower prices and improve quality.
    The cost of a broken leg is around $50,000. Do you even know what you're talking about?


    Putting a price tag on fixing Schwarzenegger's broken leg

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The cost of a broken leg is around $50,000
    Apparently, you cannot read.
    I've always suspected that, but now its been confirmed.

    Citing a CURRENT cost does nothing to counter the argument that free-market competition brought about by the elimination of third-party payees will bring costs down.

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    I just looked up some health insurance quotes for a family of four. The highest monthly rate was approximately $400; that's $4,800 a year. [1] The household median income of 2007 was $50,233. [2] So, in order to insure their family most Americans need to spend around ten percent of their income per year, and that's assuming they purchase the premium coverage plans.

    If you cannot afford to dispense with ten percent of your yearly income in order to ensure your family's health is protected then you need to do some budgeting, plain and simple. No more fast-food, no more brand-name clothing, no more entertainment systems, etc.

    The only problem America has in regards to health insurance is our collective inability to manage money with frugality. A massive over-reliance on credit and worthless material possessions is the only reason so many people find themselves uninsured. It's not THAT expensive, especially when one considers the importance of health care. Personal responsibility, self-reliance, less government, these things will trend the cost of health insurance and health care downward, but that would be difficult or hard so, obviously, that’s not an option…

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    [2] - US Census Press Releases

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    Re: Obama declares that it's time to fix health care

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
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    $15 a month? That's it? That's pretty darn cheap, so what's the problem?.
    Sorry,typo $15K per month.




    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Of course I have read it. What's telling is that you haven't and yet you sit there throwing out quotes and numbers from a report that you have never read, analyzed, or verified.

    I should not have to point out all of the facts I did to someone as opinionated on this subject as you appear to be. You should have done your own research before just blindly accepting the statistics from some report you've heard others talk about.
    Dude !!! I cited the sources of info I have. I didn't paraphrase them, I cut and pasted info from their report. I was hardly suggesting that they were they utmost worlds authority. In fact, I asked for your reference, and even said they could be wrong, anything is possible. I asked for an alternative solution. Hardly the position of someone being super opinionated on the subject. I cited W.H.O., and asked if you had anything to contradict them. You provided you argument, as asked. Why the attitude?

    I will take some more time to re-evaluate all the data in the W.H.O report and research your source as well. Thank you for an opposing view, but again, Why the attitude?

    C'mon man, Don't tase me bro.
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