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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    "Flawed" pay models mean businesses are operating ineffectively and inefficiently. If that is the case the ultimate result is bankruptcy and failure, which is the proper corrective measure--and is the one measure Dear Leader acts to prevent and forestall.

    No, the Administration is not within its rights, not even by a little bit, and yes, there is harm. The moment pay is driven by anything more than perceived value given--the moment pay is influenced by factors other than market factors (such as government and Dear Leader's "suggestions")--then the pay model is significantly and negatively distorted.

    Governments do not and should not "suggest" pay models for the private sector. It is counterproductive. It is wrong. It is unacceptable.
    That is not what the guy said and you know it. He said pay should be based on long term, not short. Stop being so disingenuous.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Delay leads to despotism. The time to "complain" is NOW.
    Your two quotes are totally unrelated, and your paranoia is showing.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Redress, why do you not respond to my twice posting about Hoover's intervention through suggestions?

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Your two quotes are totally unrelated, and your paranoia is showing.
    Hardly. Your attitude of "I'll complain when it hurts me" and the consequences thereof is exactly what Niemoller was referencing.

    In a republican democracy, wherein it is deemed beneficial to circumscribe government power, the correct response to every government effort to enlarge their power beyond their proper sphere is swift, immediate, and unceasing criticism.

    The correct response is to tell government to stop.

    "Wait and see" is the wrong response. Every time.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hardly. Your attitude of "I'll complain when it hurts me" and the consequences thereof is exactly what Niemoller was referencing.

    In a republican democracy, wherein it is deemed beneficial to circumscribe government power, the correct response to every government effort to enlarge their power beyond their proper sphere is swift, immediate, and unceasing criticism.

    The correct response is to tell government to stop.

    "Wait and see" is the wrong response. Every time.
    There is no "I'll complain when it hurts me", there is a "I'll complain when he actually does something wrong". There are more than a few things he has done wrong, that is what makes all these nothing threads so bad, they draw attention away from the real things.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There is no "I'll complain when it hurts me", there is a "I'll complain when he actually does something wrong". There are more than a few things he has done wrong, that is what makes all these nothing threads so bad, they draw attention away from the real things.
    You don't get to set new rules after you give out a loan. Banks can't do that. The government called it a loan yet they're acting like it was an outright purchase. That's the problem.

    Hoover is still waiting for your response.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    LOL. Watch Barney Frank tap-dancing when getting questioned about executive pay on CNBC.

    Breitbart.tv ‘This Interview is Over’: Barney Frank Walks Off Live CNBC Interview on Executive Pay

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ah yes, so the private sector is above criticism and no suggestions shall be taken or given in regards to that.

    Sounds like conservatives are the ones acting Fascist saying that Obama is not allowed to make suggestions.

    The 3rd Reich (AKA conservative movement) has spoken and Obama should obey.

    Yes, how DARE those DASTARDLY American Citizens state what they want their ELECTED officials that are PUBLIC servents to do. What god damn fascists they are. The Voting Public shoudln't express a dislike or disagreement with ELECTED officials that are PUBLIC SERVENTS; everyone knows you're only supposed to do that to PRIVATE business that individuals and government officials have no actual logistical direct ties to. Jesus you ****ing nazi right wingers, get a clue!

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    You need to study up on fascism.

    Fascism is Dear Leader making those "suggestions". Which is why Dear Leader needs to shut his damn word-hole (that and the fact that he's a blithering idiot).
    When you are saying someone doesn't have a right to speak, that is Fascist and that is what you are saying to Obama.

    The 3rd reich righties have spoken. Good thing their typically ignored.

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    Re: Administration: Rein in pay in US private sector

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Hoover's suggestions during the beginning of the Depression led to businesses keeping up wages despite not having the money. They were led to believe that by doing this, that they would see an increase in business: that prosperity was brought about by high wages and not the other way around. What it caused instead was massive unemployment and a huge rise in part-time workers. It was a disaster: it was all a suggestion.
    Umm suggesting something is not a bad thing. If others choose to take your suggestion, then that is on them.

    I see you fail at accepting the idea of personal responsibility. Hoover didn't cause it, the companies that took his advice were to blame.

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