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    AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...
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    WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

    The opposition, which comes as Mr. Obama prepares to address the powerful doctors’ group on Monday in Chicago, could be a major hurdle for advocates of a public insurance plan. The A.M.A., with about 250,000 members, is America’s largest physician organization.

    While committed to the goal of affordable health insurance for all, the association had said in a general statement of principles that health services should be “provided through private markets, as they are currently.” It is now reacting, for the first time, to specific legislative proposals being drafted by Congress.

    In the presidential campaign last year and in a letter to Congress last week, Mr. Obama called for a new “public health insurance option,” which he said would compete with private insurers and keep them honest.

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California said Wednesday that she supported that goal. “A bill will not come out of the House without a public option,” she said Wednesday on MSNBC.

    But in comments submitted to the Senate Finance Committee, the American Medical Association said: “The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

    If private insurers are pushed out of the market, the group said, “the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by JasonOne View Post
    But in comments submitted to the Senate Finance Committee, the American Medical Association said: “The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs. The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

    If private insurers are pushed out of the market, the group said, “the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers.”

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    That's the whole point. That is the ultimate goal of Obama and the Democrats, to get rid of private health insurance and force us all onto the government crap so that we all get the same crap health care. Don't believe me? Don't take my word for it. Get it straight from the horse's mouth.

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    I'm glad to see the AMA taking a public stand... perhaps they should have been more active in recent years and not waited until the horses are charging the open barn door before attempting to close it. This crap didn't come up overnight and most MSM outlets have aided and abetted!
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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    IMO, any health care reform legislation should be careful not to undermine private sector health care coverage while seeking to address the very real shortcomings in the health system at large i.e., incidence of uninsured persons, costs that have been rising at a multiple of inflation and economic growth for a prolonged period of time, etc. In addition, it should not impose new burdens that could adversely impact the cost structures of businesses, making U.S. companies less competitive vis-a-vis their international rivals or raising the effective cost of employment so as to create a higher level of structural unemployment.

    With respect to the AMA's position, the White House should issue a challenge to the AMA to offer its own plan that would:

    1. Dramatically reduce the incidence of uninsured persons, with benchmarks for the near-term.

    2. Bring about cost containment so that health costs do not rise at a multiple of inflation and economic growth. In the long-run, those rising health costs are not sustainable, and the sooner the issue is addressed, the easier the transition will be.

    If the AMA puts forth a plan, that plan should be given serious consideration in the mix of overall health care reform options that might be available at the time. If, however, the AMA does not furnish such a plan that credibly addresses the two biggest problems (coverage gaps and costs) with the U.S. health care system, then it will be clear that the AMA is merely trying to defend the status quo.

    Hopefully, the AMA would provide a credible alternative, as the more options that are available, the greater the chance that a beneficial approach to health care reform can be pursued.

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post

    2. Bring about cost containment so that health costs do not rise at a multiple of inflation and economic growth. In the long-run, those rising health costs are not sustainable, and the sooner the issue is addressed, the easier the transition will be.
    In this instance, while cost controls are always desirable, we are measuring economic concerns against the health factor of people. If the health of the average American deteriorates at a pace where the cost of providing medical care outpaces inflation and/or economic growth, how can the healthcare system be reasonably expected to reduce its costs to keep on pace with the economy?
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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    In this instance, while cost controls are always desirable, we are measuring economic concerns against the health factor of people. If the health of the average American deteriorates at a pace where the cost of providing medical care outpaces inflation and/or economic growth, how can the healthcare system be reasonably expected to reduce its costs to keep on pace with the economy?
    WI Crippler,

    Just so it is clear, I'm talking about a long-run average. Clearly, there will be fluctuations. One case in point, among others, would be an epidemic or pandemic.

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    With respect to the AMA's position, the White House should issue a challenge to the AMA to offer its own plan that would:

    1. Dramatically reduce the incidence of uninsured persons, with benchmarks for the near-term.
    Eliminate the current health insurance monstrosity across the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    2. Bring about cost containment so that health costs do not rise at a multiple of inflation and economic growth. In the long-run, those rising health costs are not sustainable, and the sooner the issue is addressed, the easier the transition will be.
    Eliminate the current health insurance monstrosity across the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    If the AMA puts forth a plan, that plan should be given serious consideration in the mix of overall health care reform options that might be available at the time. If, however, the AMA does not furnish such a plan that credibly addresses the two biggest problems (coverage gaps and costs) with the U.S. health care system, then it will be clear that the AMA is merely trying to defend the status quo.
    The only viable "reform" is to eliminate the current health insurance monstrosity across the board.

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Hopefully, the AMA would provide a credible alternative, as the more options that are available, the greater the chance that a beneficial approach to health care reform can be pursued.
    The only credible alternative is to eliminate the current health insurance monstrosity across the board.

    The health insurance system in this country is geared towards price maximization. In every respect, it operates to inflate prices. Until that beast is killed outright, there will be no effective cost containment in healthcare.

    Government plans merely substitute cost maximization for price maximization--until the government runs out of money, as is happening with Britain's National Health Service right now.

    The only rational economic structure is one where the consumer of healthcare (i.e., the patient), is 100% burdened with the the costs of his/her own care. The idea of "sharing risk" sounds all cute and warm and fuzzy and fully of compassion and preserving of life and so on, but it is bad economics and has produced artificial and irrational price inflation in healthcare.

    Do away with health insurance. That is the beast that drives up costs; kill that beast and costs come crashing back down to earth.

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    WI Crippler,

    Just so it is clear, I'm talking about a long-run average. Clearly, there will be fluctuations. One case in point, among others, would be an epidemic or pandemic.
    My concern also is the overall long range average. With obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc... on the rise, despite economic fluctuations up or down, I think its a difficult idea, to try and match health cost concerns, to economic factors.
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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    I'm glad to see the AMA taking a public stand... perhaps they should have been more active in recent years and not waited until the horses are charging the open barn door before attempting to close it. This crap didn't come up overnight and most MSM outlets have aided and abetted!
    Doctors are not economists. But we shall note their objection and continue on with the debate.

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    Re: AMA opposes Obama's Health Care plans...

    I saw a recent TV report on socialized medicine in Ireland - my take from the report is that Ireland's foray into socialized medicine is as much a failure as what I believe England and Canada have experienced. However, I didn't see any mention of the fact that Ireland seems to have made no attempt to destroy private medicine in the process of providing poor socialized medicine.

    I spent 4 days in Ireland last year and discussed their situation with the owner of the bed and breakfast where we stayed. His family seemed to be of what I would consider US middle class means. He could afford to continue his private medical plan and, thankfully for him, that is the only thing he felt allowed him to obtain quick and beneficial knee surgery (rather than waiting on a long list to see a butcher). He told us first hand of his distrust and dislike of socialized medicine.

    I do not think that Obama and most Democrats have the same thing in mind. On one hand Obama campaigned on universal health care that allowed those of us who could to continue private coverage. That is not what I understand is in the bill that some are proposing. (Did Obama lie again... we'll see?) They seem to want government total control... and besides, we cannot afford to print more funny money to fund such a program. I think that our course will be much further to the left than Ireland's. After all, they seem to be embracing capitalism and are doing fairly well these days... and our government officials are rejecting capitalism!
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