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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I'm calling bull****. It takes about twenty seconds to read Miranda. Miranda doesn't stop a subject from talking.

    So are they doing it to select high profile targets in the detention facilities or out in the field with everyone? Some clarification would be nice.
    If they are granted Miranda rights if they request a lawyer no more interrogation. That would seem like a pretty big impediment to intelligence collection to me.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    What are you talking about man? Your comment is absolutely without merit in this situation and completely irrelevant.

    And read some new material on 9/11 because you are way off the radar.
    Oh really you mean the Clinton-Gorelick wall established to insure a fair civilian trial for Ramzi Yousef and the Blind Sheik didn't have anything to do with Operation Able Danger not being able to communicate to the FBI actionable intelligence which could have prevented 9-11?

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    If they're talking before you read Miranda rights, none of that stuff can be used in a court of law.

    Which is why I don't see why so many conservatives are getting upset. A terrorist could confess to something before being read his rights, and that evidence would HAVE to be suppressed in court. Miranda usually stops a subject from talking :P
    And if you grant them Miranda rights and they request a lawyer you can't interrogate them at all.

    It's not that we oppose reading them Miranda rights we flat out reject giving them Miranda rights at all.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I disagree with you. Miranda rights are interpreted by SCOTUS from the Bill of Rights, and our founding fathers designated those rights as "inalienable", meaning inherent, and given by God, not by any government.
    The Declaration of Independence has no force of law and the Preamble of the Constitution clearly implies that the Constitution was written by the people of the United States for the people of the United States. Furthermore; the Constitution itself is quite explicit that Habeas Corpus can be rescinded in times of insurrection and invasion and I feel that non-uniformed terrorists crossing into our borders on false premises in order to commit mass murder against our civilian citizenry would qualify as both.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wrong. Miranda is only required when you have a suspect in custody and you are asking guilt seeking questions. Voluntary admissions are not restricted and not considered "fruit of the poisonous tree."

    Miranda does not "usually" stop someone from talking. Occasionally it does, not very often though. Good interrogators do not fear or lament Miranda. They deal with it. I've had suspect lawyer up immediately upon Miranda only to turn around two minutes later and say "I wanna talk."

    If a suspect doesn't want to talk, Miranda is irrelevant because they won't talk regardless of what you say.
    Lol, a trained AQ operative is going to lawyer up. They're trained to use the U.S. legal system against us.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    In my opinion these warnings should be extended to anyone in U.S. custody on U.S. controlled soil who will be prosecuted.

    Miranda is a set of warnings, not rights by the way. And once they are placed into our legal system, they automatically get the same rights we get.
    Reading them their Miranda rights won't bestow upon them their Miranda rights?

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Who gets to define if they are terrorists?
    Competent military tribunals.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    From what I read the warnings are being read to high level detainees who are being interrogated and may face trial in a U.S. court of law.

    Do I need to go any further?
    I see your point, but we shouldn't be conferring the substantive legal rights of American citizen upon enemy combatants.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I see your point, but we shouldn't be conferring the substantive legal rights of American citizen upon enemy combatants.
    As I read on the Miranda Warning(note the correct name), they are not giving rights, only informing some one of rights.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As I read on the Miranda Warning(note the correct name), they are not giving rights, only informing some one of rights.
    What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

    Miranda is meant to inform someone of 'their' Rights. That being specifically those granted to US Citizens under the 5th Ammendment.

    There is not point to informing someone of their rights under Miranda if they are not being granted those rights.
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