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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    He's not treating it as a civil issue, he's treating it as a criminal issue.
    Thanks, was typing quick at work and mistyped it as civil when criminal was exactly what I was meaning. I shall go edit. I knew there was a word I was going for but it was early and brain foggy and just wasn't coming.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post

    Miranda rights are for Americans in the USA not Jihadist we're fighting a global war with.

    With the ongoing gitmo fiasco, the bush bash memo release flop, Pelosi&TheCIA, this will likely cause a crapstorm for Obama.
    I believe you're wrong, in more ways than one.

    Miranda rights are for all criminal suspects, with no exceptions for the worst of the worst.

    IMO, we lose nothing by reading them their rights. I doubt that Mirandizing them, or not, will change the likelihood of them talking.

    Mirandizing them takes away from them one legal loophole that they could otherwise exploit if they are convicted and put away for good (which I hope happens). They won't be able to have their convictions overturned on the technicality that they weren't advised of their legal rights.

    I'm all for this, because I want these creeps put away for good if they get convicted.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Here is a list of countries who use the Miranda Rights or something similar:
    Australia
    Canada
    England and Wales
    France
    Germany
    European Union
    Switzerland
    Israel
    Spain
    Philippines

    The Miranda Rights are not so much a gift to the accused, but a way to guarantee a fast and sure prosecution.


    Miranda Rights in this is USA Miranda Rights applied in 1966.....Not stuff that might kinda be..
    ...btw the European Union is not a nation.

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    Seriously..

    1. The USA rules the world and everyone on it is their subjects.

    2. US law applies in the USA. Iranian law in Iran, German Law in Germany, etc.


    PICK ONE!

    One thread many of you say the USA has no right t do that to x over there..in this one you say they not only have it everyone has to accept it.

    You and many others don't make sense. You have two wildly different realities depending on the threads subject.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Because on the battlefield we are engaging an armed combatant who is intent on killing us.

    It's not about giving them American citizens rights. It's about addressing a potential legal challenge in advance so that it doesn't come back to haunt us later.
    What legal challenge could possibly arise from a failure to Mirandize an enemy combatant?

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Miranda Rights are read to AMERICAN CITIZENS. If we are reading these to non-citizens and enemy combatants, then doesnt that in effect, make them citizens?

    Anyways, here is Obama on Miranda Rights back during the campaign:

    Obama's Reversal on Terrorist Miranda Rights - Hannity - FOXNews.com

    PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: Do these folks deserve Miranda rights? Do they deserve to be treated like a shoplifter down the block? Of course not.
    Compare that to what is happening right now.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    What legal challenge could possibly arise from a failure to Mirandize an enemy combatant?
    From what I read the warnings are being read to high level detainees who are being interrogated and may face trial in a U.S. court of law.

    Do I need to go any further?
    Last edited by Lerxst; 06-11-09 at 07:00 PM.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Miranda Rights are read to AMERICAN CITIZENS. If we are reading these to non-citizens and enemy combatants, then doesnt that in effect, make them citizens?

    Anyways, here is Obama on Miranda Rights back during the campaign:

    Obama's Reversal on Terrorist Miranda Rights - Hannity - FOXNews.com



    Compare that to what is happening right now.
    Wrong again Hat. Miranda is read to anyone who is arrested and asked guilt seeking questions. Citizen or not. Illegal immigrants are mirandized all the time.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Illegal Immigrants in Afghanistan?
    Last edited by Triad; 06-11-09 at 07:51 PM.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Miranda Rights are read to AMERICAN CITIZENS. If we are reading these to non-citizens and enemy combatants, then doesnt that in effect, make them citizens?

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    Duh, no. Does this sound familiar?
    You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?

    Call it what you will, this is what is read to you if you are arrested in the PHILLIPINES. Miranda is not an American concept, only the name is.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Wrong, Miranda rights are for anyone we plan to put on trial in an American court of law. All this is doing is making sure we've closed a potential legal loophole.

    I've heard cops complain all the time that they wished they didn't have to read a suspect Miranda because it makes them clam up. Bull****. A good interrogator is not worried about Miranda. In fact once you've read it you can rest easy knowing that closed that loophole. This means nothing, in fact it's a good thing.

    Only if you're ignorant about what Miranda is, have no clue as to what kind of impact this won't have, and buy into this being an actual story.
    If we read them Miranda and they request a lawyer we won't be able to interrogate them. And these people should be tried by military tribunal not civilian courts anyways.

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