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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Miranda is a warning instituted in the 60's as a means to preserve an American defendants 5th Ammendemnt Right under the Constitution of the USA.

    'We the People of the United States of America'..is who the warning for the Right applies to ..nobody else.


    Otherwise..welcome to the United States of Earth.
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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Terrorist shouldn't get any constitutional protections.
    Who gets to define if they are terrorists?

    People who make such absolutist statements generally have no foresight as to dangerous precedents that may occur.

    I see no problem with reading them their miranda rights. If you really want to lock these scumbags away, why would you willingly leave open a legal loophole?
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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Miranda is a warning instituted in the 60's as a means to preserve an American defendants 5th Ammendemnt Right under the Constitution of the USA.

    'We the People of the United States of America'..is who the warning for the Right applies to ..nobody else.


    Otherwise..welcome to the United States of Earth.
    -I never knew the left was so Imperialistic minded that it applies the Laws of the United States over all peoples on the earth. Next thing you know they'll be wearing powdered whigs!
    You. Don't. Get. It.

    I would like you to show me where civil rights only apply to U.S. citizens and nobody else. Hint, it's a loaded question. I don't want your pissed off opinion, I want legal citation.

    Get back with me.
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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    The real question is does the person have a right to have an attorney present during questioning.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Cool! The USA rules the world and all beings on it are our subjects.
    Clever turn it around. Congrats.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    In my opinion these warnings should be extended to anyone in U.S. custody on U.S. controlled soil who will be prosecuted.

    Miranda is a set of warnings, not rights by the way. And once they are placed into our legal system, they automatically get the same rights we get.
    That's just it. They shouldn't be in our legal system. We need to hold them until the end of hostilities, just like we did with Japanese and German combatants. Those are the long accepted rules of war.
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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Miranda is a warning instituted in the 60's as a means to preserve an American defendants 5th Ammendemnt Right under the Constitution of the USA.

    'We the People of the United States of America'..is who the warning for the Right applies to ..nobody else.


    Otherwise..welcome to the United States of Earth.
    -I never knew the left was so Imperialistic minded that it applies the Laws of the United States over all peoples on the earth. Next thing you know they'll be wearing powdered whigs!
    Here is a list of countries who use the Miranda Rights or something similar:
    Australia
    Canada
    England and Wales
    France
    Germany
    European Union
    Switzerland
    Israel
    Spain
    Philippines

    The Miranda Rights are not so much a gift to the accused, but a way to guarantee a fast and sure prosecution.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    I don't have a huge issue with this in an isolated thing.

    I have a problem with what it represents and is being done all throughout the Obama administration in regards to terrorism and that is going back fully and completely to a Clinton-esque view of Terrorism being completely and utterly a criminal, legal, issue.

    This is a flawed and failed way of thinking that when propogated help lead to many of the deficiencies in our intelligence and anti-terrorism activites that caused us to be plagued with terrorism through the 90's and into early 00's.

    The Bush model of treating it as a full and complete military thing is also a flailed model, but the idiocy of both Bush and Obama seeing this as some kind of black and white issue, either full military or full criminal, is mind boggling but not surprising, especially from an ideolog such as Obama.

    Until we have someone in power who can look at this and think outside of the box and find a new solution for a very new and modern problem in the way terrorism presents itself we will continue to watch Presidents make bone headed moves in regards to this.

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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I have a problem with what it represents and is being done all throughout the Obama administration in regards to terrorism and that is going back fully and completely to a Clinton-esque view of Terrorism being completely and utterly a civil, legal, issue.
    He's not treating it as a civil issue, he's treating it as a criminal issue.
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    Re: Miranda Rights for Terrorists

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    That's just it. They shouldn't be in our legal system. We need to hold them until the end of hostilities, just like we did with Japanese and German combatants. Those are the long accepted rules of war.
    We can't do that and here's why. Many people we are detaining are not being captured on the field of battle, they are being turned in on suspicion. They aren't considered soldiers, they belong to no professional military, and we haven't proven that many of them have actually done anything.

    How can we hold them until the end of hostilities? The "war on terror" will never end because you can't "beat" terrorism. It's not a tangible enemy, it's tactic. We will always be conducting a "war on terror" so hostilities will never end in that regard.

    We have no choice but to take these non-military criminals, because that's what they are essentially (or at least that's what we claim they are) and we need to prosecute our case against them or turn them loose.
    *insert profound statement here*

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