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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    By some libertarians.
    By MOST. Most libertarians agree Marriage should not be interviened by the government. And that they should be just civil without government benefit.

    I agree with them on that one.

    Let marriages be done by whatever institution people want, and let taxes be done by the individual alone with no benefits for being married or unmarried.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Ok....I see....I just see it differently in that government involvement in marriage is taking a stand to impose government restrictions. I think most libertarians think government should not be involved at all....which would be a much more pro-gay marriage stance.
    I see it as more of an anti-government stand than a pro-gm stance. The two are not necessarily inclusive.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    By MOST. .
    By some libertarians.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    By some libertarians.
    By Most, read my last post.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    By Most, read my last post.
    I did. Some libertarians embraced Ron Paul with an almost cult like devotion.

    Most libertarians embrace your marriage argument. Two seperate issues.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. That the libertarian argument is against expansion of government involvement in marriage. No hate or ignorance toward gays. Just keeping with their idealogy.
    True...but anti-government involvement or acceptance of gays....the result is the same.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I did. Some libertarians embraced Ron Paul with an almost cult like devotion.

    Most libertarians embrace your marriage argument. Two seperate issues.
    They embraced the attitude that the fedarl government should not be involved in marriage. Should not be involved in the drug war and should not be involved in Iraq when the U.s. was not threatened by them.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. That the libertarian argument is against expansion of government involvement in marriage. No hate or ignorance toward gays. Just keeping with their idealogy.
    Platform - Libertarian Party
    1.0 Personal Liberty

    Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.

    1.3 Personal Relationships

    Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the rights of individuals by government, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships.
    I think it is rather clear that the libertarian position is not just about the federal government and that gay marriage should not be restricted by any government. That is my experience with libertarians anyway.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    They embraced the attitude that the fedarl government should not be involved in marriage.
    Seriously, I think you guys have made more posts arguing about this than there are libertarians anyway.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by xvz View Post
    Platform - Libertarian Party
    1.0 Personal Liberty

    Individuals should be free to make choices for themselves and to accept responsibility for the consequences of the choices they make. No individual, group, or government may initiate force against any other individual, group, or government. Our support of an individual's right to make choices in life does not mean that we necessarily approve or disapprove of those choices.

    1.3 Personal Relationships

    Sexual orientation, preference, gender, or gender identity should have no impact on the rights of individuals by government, such as in current marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws. Consenting adults should be free to choose their own sexual practices and personal relationships. Government does not have the authority to define, license or restrict personal relationships.
    I think it is rather clear that the libertarian position is not just about the federal government and that gay marriage should not be restricted by any government. That is my experience with libertarians anyway.
    I'm a republican who supports gay marriage, like many other republicans. You can pull whatever platform off the net you want. Doesn't make it anything more than some platform you pulled off the net.

    Libertarians have varying rationales for their arguments. Just like republicans. Just like democrats.

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