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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by wbreese91 View Post
    Ok, as the topic here is gay mariage. I feel compelled to suggest a solution to the whole problem. This solution was actually proposed by my little brother, and it makes a lot of sense to me:

    Here it goes:

    The government gives out civil unions (not the crappy half-hearted ones now; basically what is a civil mariage license today) to everyone. Hetero- and homosexual couples alike. Then, religious institutions can MARRY anyone who meets their own religious requirements. Then everyone is happy. All couples are equal in the government's eyes, but mariage is still betweena man and a woman in most religions.
    I would be perfectly fine with that. Leave marriage to religions. Religions can choose to accept same sex marriage or not. Some will...some won't....and the government treats everyone equally.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Really? Because I have found that libertarians tend to be against any expansion of government involvement in marriage. Any expansion of government period, actually.

    That's not ignorant or hateful at all.
    WRONG, many libertarians are against the FEDERAL government expanstion, but have no problem with the state level of it.

    Let's be clear, libertarians are against federal involvement, but have no problem with state level hate.

    It was Ron Paul after all that said the idea of slavery should have been left to the states and not federal.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The libertarian comment came from this being precisely my point.
    ???but that wasn't your point.....was it????
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    WRONG, many libertarians are against the FEDERAL government expanstion, but have no problem with the state level of it.

    Let's be clear, libertarians are against federal involvement, but have no problem with state level hate.

    It was Ron Paul after all that said the idea of slavery should have been left to the states and not federal.
    Ron Paul was not indicative of most libertarians in my experience. He was a bat**** crazy loon.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    WRONG, many libertarians are against the FEDERAL government expanstion, but have no problem with the state level of it.

    Let's be clear, libertarians are against federal involvement, but have no problem with state level hate.

    It was Ron Paul after all that said the idea of slavery should have been left to the states and not federal.
    Ironic that no libertarians are actually commenting on this post . Then there wouldn't be much debate on this point.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Ron Paul was not indicative of most libertarians in my experience. He was a bat**** crazy loon.
    Actually he has been embraced by the libertarians.

    He was rejected by conservatives.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    ???but that wasn't your point.....was it????
    Yes. That the libertarian argument is against expansion of government involvement in marriage. No hate or ignorance toward gays. Just keeping with their idealogy.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Actually he has been embraced by the libertarians.

    He was rejected by conservatives.
    By some libertarians.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. That the libertarian argument is against expansion of government involvement in marriage. No hate or ignorance toward gays. Just keeping with their idealogy.
    ACtually the libertarian argument is that the federal government should get out of marriage and that ALL MARRIAGES should be civil and without government benefit. To that end I agree.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yes. That the libertarian argument is against expansion of government involvement in marriage. No hate or ignorance toward gays. Just keeping with their idealogy.
    Ok....I see....I just see it differently in that government involvement in marriage is taking a stand to impose government restrictions. I think most libertarians think government should not be involved at all....which would be a much more pro-gay marriage stance.
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