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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    On one level I agree with you and on the other I disagree strongly.

    The anti-gay marriage crowd consists primarily of hate groups sprinkled with a dose of ignorance. There are very very few people against gay marriage that don't fit into one of the two groups.
    It's sad that you think that way. I cannot believe you have been so sheltered here in LA as to believe that things are that black and white.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Think of it this way. She is by any means a bigot. But I honestly could care less what she thinks. And I could care less what people think of her. It's the noise being made about her opinion that is annoying me. A bunch of people making her a little all-American straight white girl martyr for their moral cause du jour is not something I'm willing to allow and yet so many Liberals seem to be helping right wingers just that. I mean it's like you guys don't see that by continuing to talk about her her 15 minutes of fame gets a 3 minute extension. You're making her a victim in the eyes of the right wing. I mean it's because of petty **** like this that they say that the left is waging a culture war.

    You are feeding the trolls.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It's sad that you think that way. I cannot believe you have been so sheltered here in LA as to believe that things are that black and white.
    Maybe I am sheltered living in LA...but the rest of the nation could take a lesson from LA. I find LA to be a very "live and let live" community. The rest of the Country should be that way.

    I have yet to hear anyone make a good argument that places the anti gay marriage crowd outside of either the hate group or the ignorant group.
    Maybe there is one...I just haven't heard it.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Maybe I am sheltered living in LA...but the rest of the nation could take a lesson from LA. I find LA to be a very "live and let live" community. The rest of the Country should be that way.

    I have yet to hear anyone make a good argument that places the anti gay marriage crowd outside of either the hate group or the ignorant group.
    Maybe there is one...I just haven't heard it.
    Religious groups. Many libertarians. Just old folks who can't wrap their mind around the concept. People like my own grandparents on one side of the family.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Religious groups. Many libertarians. Just old folks who can't wrap their mind around the concept. People like my own grandparents on one side of the family.
    I link old folks in the "ignorant" group....and I don't mean that negatively. I mean it in the sense that they were simply raised that way and while they may not harbor "hate"...they either or too stubborn in their ways or they simply don't know any gay people or know enough about it to change their views.

    Libertarians...on the other hand...if they are true "libertarians" would never be against gay marriage.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Libertarians...on the other hand...if they are true "libertarians" would never be against gay marriage.
    Really? Because I have found that libertarians tend to be against any expansion of government involvement in marriage. Any expansion of government period, actually.

    That's not ignorant or hateful at all.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Libertarians...on the other hand...if they are true "libertarians" would never be against gay marriage.
    Correct. I'm not sure where that libertarian comment came from. Libertarians are to the left of liberals when it comes to government non-involvement in personal affairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Really? Because I have found that libertarians tend to be against any expansion of government involvement in marriage. Any expansion of government period, actually.

    That's not ignorant or hateful at all.
    Which means they would be against anti-gay marriage legislation. Saying government shouldn't recognize marriage has nothing to do with prohibiting gay marriage.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Really? Because I have found that libertarians tend to be against any expansion of government involvement in marriage. Any expansion of government period, actually.

    That's not ignorant or hateful at all.
    Most Libertarians I know believe that government should stay out of the issue as much as possible. They don't believe that government should even be in the marriage business....and if they are....that government should not take a stand in enforcing rules that deny it to some and allow it for others.

    The problem with "Libertarians" these days...is that there are a lot of disgruntled Republicans that have adopted the label. It is those "libertarians" that you are probably talking about.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Ok, as the topic here is gay mariage. I feel compelled to suggest a solution to the whole problem. This solution was actually proposed by my little brother, and it makes a lot of sense to me:

    Here it goes:

    The government gives out civil unions (not the crappy half-hearted ones now; basically what is a civil mariage license today) to everyone. Hetero- and homosexual couples alike. Then, religious institutions can MARRY anyone who meets their own religious requirements. Then everyone is happy. All couples are equal in the government's eyes, but mariage is still betweena man and a woman in most religions.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by xvz View Post
    Correct. I'm not sure where that libertarian comment came from. Libertarians are to the left of liberals when it comes to government non-involvement in personal affairs.
    The libertarian comment came from this being precisely my point.

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