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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry Jall...I have to disagree with you here. Any group that actively seeks to deny rights and privileges to another group based on race, ethnicity, gender, age, sexual orientation is a hate group.
    They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

    That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by xvz View Post
    Ivy league? Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. She is not even state university material.
    Seems to be a lot of that going around...

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.
    I can understand why you do, but who decides what is noble or not? I'm sure those that think blacks shouldn't marry whites think they are doing something noble as well.

    I had a neighbor not too long ago (about 7 months ago) that firmly believed whites and other races shouldn't mixed, so he would consider the KKK noble.

    Noble is Subjective to say the least. Doing something noble, doesn't mean it is good.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

    That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.

    You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
    Their "perception" didn't change the reality.

    I appreciate where you are coming from Jall...but unfortunately, we have tried to take the "high road" and it has gotten us nowhere. We can't pussyfoot around these groups anymore. They have to be called out for what they are.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I can understand why you do, but who decides what is noble or not? I'm sure those that think blacks shouldn't marry whites think they are doing something noble as well.

    I had a neighbor not too long ago (about 7 months ago) that firmly believed whites and other races shouldn't mixed, so he would consider the KKK noble.

    Noble is Subjective to say the least. Doing something noble, doesn't mean it is good.
    As I said...I can live with their misguided beliefs.

    I will not look at these people as some kind of modern KKK. I find it highly offensive to my sense of virtue that those least vested in this outcome are the fastest to sling mud at them.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    They don't see it that way. They think they are protecting something. I can live with their misguided perceptions as long as their intentions are noble.

    That doesn't mean I won't undermine them or attempt to defeat them. It simply means I refuse to look at them as less than me and my pursuits.
    The KKK just have misguided perceptions. Their intentions for white supremacy are noble because they think they are protecting something. Nothing to look down on them about.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude
    You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
    Exactly. They believed they were "protecting god's creation." They believed their god to have created separate races for a reason. There would be members who run the spectrum from outright hate to absurd beliefs. The same is true of anti-gay groups.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You can't base it on their perception. Those who were against inter-racial marriage or against segregation didn't see themselves as hate groups either.
    Their "perception" didn't change the reality.

    I appreciate where you are coming from Jall...but unfortunately, we have tried to take the "high road" and it has gotten us nowhere. We can't pussyfoot around these groups anymore. They have to be called out for what they are.
    I would caution you against sinking...hate is a very strong word and I have no inclination nor proof that tells me this issue is about hate, universally.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by xvz View Post
    The KKK just have misguided perceptions. Their intentions for white supremacy are noble because they think they are protecting something. Nothing to look down on them about.
    If that's what you want to believe, go right ahead. I won't stop you from being a hysteric if it will make you happy.

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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I would caution you against sinking...hate is a very strong word and I have no inclination nor proof that tells me this issue is about hate, universally.
    On one level I agree with you and on the other I disagree strongly.

    The anti-gay marriage crowd consists primarily of hate groups sprinkled with a dose of ignorance. There are very very few people against gay marriage that don't fit into one of the two groups.
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    Re: Carrie Prejean Stripped Of Miss California Title

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then you shouldn't care what people think of her. Yet it is quite clear you do.
    Because it's annoying.
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