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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bud, I think you've got the wrong perspective on this.

    We already have GPS and Verichip. Only a matter of time before the two are combined. Adding a cyanide capsule is evil, but hardly shocking given how some people's minds work. I've been expecting something like this for a while now.

    So the patent was not granted because of legal technicalities...that does not mean the device itself was not functional. You hardly need a patent to manufacture something, if someone wants to badly enough...and I guaran-d***-tee you someone will. This is tailor made for the modern dictator.

    Yet another reason we need to guard our privacy, and our self-ownership, jealously from the government. I would not support doing this to anyone, it is just way too over the top.

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    I'm not saying it could never be done, I'm saying that it's not any more of a concern than it was yesterday, which is to say no concern at all to me.

    Do you really think that any country where this idea would be feasible is the type of country that has the infrastructure in place to develop, manufacture, implement and oversee this product?

    The idea for this has been around for decades. I just don't see why it's any more likely today than it was when it was first described.
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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm not saying it could never be done, I'm saying that it's not any more of a concern than it was yesterday, which is to say no concern at all to me.

    Do you really think that any country where this idea would be feasible is the type of country that has the infrastructure in place to develop, manufacture, implement and oversee this product?

    The idea for this has been around for decades. I just don't see why it's any more likely today than it was when it was first described.

    Because the technology actually exists, and someone has actually designed one, let the world know it can be done, and put the idea in hundreds of tyrannically-inclined heads.

    It might not be done tomorrow; but someone somewhere will use these things in some manner, fairly soon.

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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Because the technology actually exists, and someone has actually designed one
    I don't think either of these are more true than they were yesterday. Just because a guy applied for a patent doesn't mean he actually designed one. You could apply for a patent on a time machine, but that doesn't mean we're any closer to building one.

    It might not be done tomorrow; but someone somewhere will use these things in some manner, fairly soon.
    I very much doubt this.
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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I don't think either of these are more true than they were yesterday. Just because a guy applied for a patent doesn't mean he actually designed one. You could apply for a patent on a time machine, but that doesn't mean we're any closer to building one.



    I very much doubt this.

    I really don't get you sometimes, bud.

    The patent was denied for legal reasons, not technical ones.

    There is no information in the article on whether the device was technically feasible or not, granted... you choose to assume that is isn't, and chide people for worrying over it.

    We have Verichip already. We have GPS already. A cyanide capsule breakable by remote means is hardly outside our ability to produce. It seems very logical that something like this is do-able, but you decline to acknowlege the possibility at all.

    You doubt that some dictator, somewhere, isn't salivating at the thought of putting one of these devices, if he can obtain them, into someone whose loyalty is under question, or someone he wants to force into a course of action, etc?

    Your position doesn't seem very logical. I have to wonder if it stems from your apparent determination to appear moderate in all things... even things that anyone ought to flatly condemn.

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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Imagine planting a GPS chip inside of someone, and being able to not only track his or her whereabouts, but to cause that person's death, if one so desired, by having the chip release a fatal dose of cyanide inside his body. A Saudi inventor has invented just that, and filed a patent with the patent office in Germany.

    Every day, the world gets just a little bit creepier. Of course, if you are a law abiding citizen residing in any nation that eventually uses that chip, you have nothing to be afraid of, right? Just keep your thoughts to yourself, and everything will be fine.

    BTW, the device is great for those nagging mothers-in-law.

    Article is here.
    This maybe work great for elected officials.
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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I very much doubt this.
    I don't, it may not be done on a large scale, but on a smaller one I definitely could see this being used by a government.

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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't, it may not be done on a large scale, but on a smaller one I definitely could see this being used by a government.
    Holey carp, me and TNE agree on something... stop the presses!!

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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I really don't get you sometimes, bud.

    The patent was denied for legal reasons, not technical ones.

    There is no information in the article on whether the device was technically feasible or not, granted... you choose to assume that is isn't, and chide people for worrying over it.

    We have Verichip already. We have GPS already. A cyanide capsule breakable by remote means is hardly outside our ability to produce. It seems very logical that something like this is do-able, but you decline to acknowlege the possibility at all.

    You doubt that some dictator, somewhere, isn't salivating at the thought of putting one of these devices, if he can obtain them, into someone whose loyalty is under question, or someone he wants to force into a course of action, etc?
    I just don't understand why people are so riled about this. This is not new ****. The idea behind this has been around since James Bond. Nobody knows **** about what this guy's designs showed, nor is it likely that they included anything that a basic engineer couldn't put together in a short time.

    The reason why it's not a big deal isn't because it's not technologically feasible, it's because there's no ****ing way this would ever happen.

    Set aside the "oh noes dictators are evil" for a second and see if you can name a scenario in which some dictator will have the infrastructure and control necessary to manufacture, implement and monitor such a program. I can't. Do you realize how insanely difficult that would be - implement the chip in everyone, make sure they don't remove it, monitor every single person's movements and actions, decide when to kill them, etc. Ridiculous.

    The chances of this happening are absolutely insignificant. Perhaps even more important, they are no less insignificant than they were yesterday or 5 years ago.

    Your position doesn't seem very logical. I have to wonder if it stems from your apparent determination to appear moderate in all things... even things that anyone ought to flatly condemn.
    Re-read my posts - where did I indicate that I'm not condemning the idea behind this? My point all along has been that it's stupid to get riled up about this because it ain't happening. This reminds me of when there's some article about how google has developed a new technology and all the chicken littles come out of the woodwork to rant about how google is trying to control our lives.

    Seriously, this is not a big deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I don't, it may not be done on a large scale, but on a smaller one I definitely could see this being used by a government.
    I don't, and I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with a reasonable scenario in which it could be used.
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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    I agree entirely with RightInNYC. Any government with the will and ability to do this would have an easier time just using firing squads for this stuff.
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    Re: Saudi 'Killer Chip' Implant Would Track, Eliminate Undesirables

    Quote Originally Posted by Edify_Always_In_All_Ways View Post
    I agree entirely with RightInNYC. Any government with the will and ability to do this would have an easier time just using firing squads for this stuff.
    Firing squads don't get a government what they want. They could easily use this chip on a person of interest to do what they want that person to do.

    Again, I don't see this as a large scale application, but on a smaller scale, you betcha it's possible.

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