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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, the corporatism quote is a fallacy, I believe...or at least there is no sourcing for it. Regardless, it does not adhere to his position on corporatism, anyway.

    Fascist regimes, as defined by Mussolini, reject liberalism and left wing ideology. Read the link for more information on this.
    No sir Mussolini was a comintern agent for quite a long time. He was in fact named Il Duce while a member of the Marxist party. What Mussolini did was combine the ultra right and the extreme left.

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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No sir Mussolini was a comintern agent for quite a long time. He was in fact named Il Duce while a member of the Marxist party. What Mussolini did was combine the ultra right and the extreme left.
    And Mussolini rejected his socialist roots and adopted a far more right wing, authoritarian philosophy. His collectivist views were extremely different than those you would find in communism or socialism which are more left wing philosophies. Though statist, fascism rules by power and authority; communism and socialism rule by cooperation. Far, far different philosophies. Mussolini rejected the left wing leanings of his younger days.
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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And Mussolini rejected his socialist roots and adopted a far more right wing, authoritarian philosophy. His collectivist views were extremely different than those you would find in communism or socialism which are more left wing philosophies. Though statist, fascism rules by power and authority; communism and socialism rule by cooperation. Far, far different philosophies. Mussolini rejected the left wing leanings of his younger days.
    You're still thinking in a linear left/right political spectrum. How quaint. Rule by authority can be used to describe any communist country which has ever existed.
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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    You're still thinking in a linear left/right political spectrum. How quaint. Rule by authority can be used to describe any communist country which has ever existed.
    Except that is NOT true communism. That is more of a totalitarian state.

    And you are thinking in theory, not in practicality.
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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Though statist, fascism rules by power and authority; communism and socialism rule by cooperation. Far, far different philosophies.
    In theory, yes, but wasn't it Trotsky who argued that those not supportive of the Revolution needed to be coerced into supporting it?

    What starts out as diametrically opposed philosophies in theory has a tendency to coalesce around a common set of means in reality.

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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Except that is NOT true communism. That is more of a totalitarian state.
    Yes yes "the real communism" funny thing how they all come under a cult of personality in practice.


    And you are thinking in theory, not in practicality.
    Exact opposite actually.

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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

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    In theory, yes, but wasn't it Trotsky who argued that those not supportive of the Revolution needed to be coerced into supporting it?

    What starts out as diametrically opposed philosophies in theory has a tendency to coalesce around a common set of means in reality.
    Which is why communism, in theory, is leftist, but in practice, it becomes totalitarian and extreme right wing.

    As far as I have seen, there has been no communist society on a wide scale. Human psychology will not allow it to happen, which is why communism and socialism, though great in theory, never will occur in practice.
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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Which is why communism, in theory, is leftist, but in practice, it becomes totalitarian and extreme right wing.

    As far as I have seen, there has been no communist society on a wide scale. Human psychology will not allow it to happen, which is why communism and socialism, though great in theory, never will occur in practice.
    As far as I have seen Marxism is extreme left, and because of that there is a convergence with the ultra right.

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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Yes yes "the real communism" funny thing how they all come under a cult of personality in practice.
    Pure communism, as a societal practice, cannot exist because of human psychology. Any collectivist philosophy that is attempted to be put into practice on a wide scale will devolve into extreme right wing authoritarianism.



    Exact opposite actually.
    Nope. Not at all.
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    Re: Shooting reported at or near U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    As far as I have seen Marxism is extreme left, and because of that there is a convergence with the ultra right.
    OK, if this is your position, please show how.
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