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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    At the time I posted this response, no;
    I see

    but that doesn't change my argument and even if these individuals are not linked to any particular group it begs the question; why is a terrorist bomb not plausible?
    Based on current evidence, a terrorist attack is not a natural conclusion. If one starts with the idea that it was it's possible to find a bit of information or two to support the idea, but if one starts with the evidence it looks like mechanical failure, bad weather, and more than likely a bit of pilot error took the plane down.

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    First question; are you a pilot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Answer: irrelevant. The statement you posed that question to is common sense.

    I am going to start taking formal lessons once laser eye surgery for strabismus is perfected, I have the training books though, and have read up extensively on flying, and major aviation disasters.
    I wish you good luck in your training.

    I believe it is absolutely relevant because as a pilot, I would say I have a better understanding of in flight characteristics than you would.

    Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
    I challenge you to find ONE instance where a commercial flight accident was the result of a faulty air speed indicator or was the result of a chain of events that caused a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in high altitude flight.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    The de Havilland DH-106 Comet. Elba, Italy, and Stromboli, Italy crashes

    Granted that was the design of the aircraft, but it was a chain of events (fraturing/cracking/fatigue) leading to a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in flight.
    This is totally unrelated to the THEORIES being given for this disaster. Comparing the Comet to a modern Airbus is like comparing a hang glider to a Cessna.

    Again, how does this respond to my earlier questions to you and the absurd theories surrounding this disaster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Just because it never happened before doesn't make it impossible.
    What is amusing in this debate is that a terrorist BOMB has happened before, yet in this case we are more willing to look at all the implausible events rather than the most plausible. Why do you think that is?

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    What evidence are you privy to that hints at a terrorist bomb?
    I am not privy to any evidence other than that everyone else has; and what evidence there is, it is more plausible that this was a bomb causing a catastrophic instantaneous breakup in flight at altitude than some absurd theory about pitot tubes.

    That is why I keep asking the question; why is it that everyone is so desperate to avoid the most plausible theory over some absurd theory about pitot tubes?

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Based on current evidence, a terrorist attack is not a natural conclusion.
    I am sorry, but what current evidence would sugest that a terrorist bomb is NOT a plausible conclusion?

    From what I have read and based on my knowledge as a pilot, it is the ONLY plausible one to date. All the others require the willing suspension of disbelief or some remote ONE time implausible event.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    If one starts with the idea that it was it's possible to find a bit of information or two to support the idea, but if one starts with the evidence it looks like mechanical failure, bad weather, and more than likely a bit of pilot error took the plane down.
    Again, the efforts on the part of the media and those who want to believe EVERYTHING else is plausible requires a stretch away from reality I find hard to believe.

    There is no evidence that supports the wild theories promoted so far that it could have been equipment failure or pilot error.

    Again here are some FACTS:

    Fact; a Lufthansa airbus preceded this flight by a few minutes flying through the same weather...no issues. A Lufthansa airbus flight following this flight by a few minutes did not report any problems.

    FACT: A terrorist threat had been received days before and a previous Air France B777 flight was carefully inspected and cleared to leave.

    ADJUSTED FACT: approximately 28 passengers on the flights passenger list come from Muslim countries where France has received direct threats.

    So it begs the question of you; why are you so determined to suggest it cannot be a terrorist bomb?

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    [I]Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector

    This is totally unrelated to the THEORIES being given for this disaster. Comparing the Comet to a modern Airbus is like comparing a hang glider to a Cessna.

    You said to give me an instance where a chain of events lead to the loss of an aircraft hull. I gave one. The comet, and the airbus aircraft in the accident are very different - different design, different avionics), wing design, engine, etc, but the aircraft fuselage is still a tube of aluminum riveted together... so the analogy isn't QUITE like comparing a hang glider to a cessna - two COMPLETELY different styles of flight, and design.
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    You said to give me an instance where a chain of events lead to the loss of an aircraft hull. I gave one. The comet, and the airbus aircraft in the accident are very different - different design, different avionics), wing design, engine, etc, but the aircraft fuselage is still a tube of aluminum riveted together... so the analogy isn't QUITE like comparing a hang glider to a cessna - two COMPLETELY different styles of flight, and design.
    My question was pretty clear;

    I challenge you to find ONE instance where a commercial flight accident was the result of a faulty air speed indicator or was the result of a chain of events that caused a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in high altitude flight.

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Interesting thread in the airline pilot's forum that the tail may have broken off the AF plane, that Airbus has a reputation for fragile construction, and that the American Airlines plane which crashed in Queens suffered from the same design flaw.

    Interesting Airbus / Air France read - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    That is why I keep asking the question; why is it that everyone is so desperate to avoid the most plausible theory over some absurd theory about pitot tubes?

    The plausible theory isnt a terrorist attack, its a system failure. All the signs point away from a terrorist attack. Firstly, nobody has taken responsibility, and even Al Qaeda who on occassion have nothing to do with the attack, would release a video applausing there muslim brothers for carrying out Jihad. This hasnt happened. All the extremists are silent about it. Secondly, what good is it exploding the plane over the Atlantic? One would have thought a terrorist would have waited over Paris or something. There intent: maximum destruction. Thirdly i havent seen any evidence of extremist muslims being registered on the flight, this is just speculation. If anything, in this instance, its the least plausible theory.
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Interesting thread in the airline pilot's forum that the tail may have broken off the AF plane, that Airbus has a reputation for fragile construction, and that the American Airlines plane which crashed in Queens suffered from the same design flaw.

    Interesting Airbus / Air France read - Airline Pilot Central Forums
    If the following information from Larson's report is true, I don't know how the people that allow this to happen sleep at night, knowing that it's only a matter of time till a midair disaster occurs:

    Airbus products are the flimsiest and most poorly designed as far as
    airframe structure is concerned by an almost obsession to utilize composite
    materials.

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Based on what information?
    Your tendency to not read threads is quite amusing yet annoying. Please read the thread. People have gone over the various pieces of evidence all suggesting that it was a mechanical. Your inability to put the time and effort into your postings is not a right to be an ignorant loudmouth.

    Do you even know anything about flying and what a pitot tube does? The notion that the cause of the crash was a malfunctioned pitot tube on this aircraft is beyond stupid.
    I wasn't aware that people have ruled out that pitot tubes were the only possibility. As WillRockwell pointed out, there may have been other causes for it.

    I have done this on many occasions for practice.
    At the same time you got your fake finance/accounting degree?

    More internet thuggery, straight from TD?

    It's absurd to assume that a professional pilot would have been so incompetent that losing his airspeed indicator would have caused massive disorientation resulting in the breakup of this aircraft.

    Huh. You mean like the various pilots who have done other stupid things? Such as crashing into mountains around Guam? Tired pilots make all kinds of mistakes that rested pilots do not. I suggest you read "Nudge" by Thaler and Sunstein about various histories of airliner crashes by culturally inhibited crew and pilots.

    If it was terrorism, why haven't we found blast residue? Why has no one taken responsibility? Why did they attempt to fly back to Brazil instead of hitting a high profile European target?

    Furthermore, where are you getting your alleged facts from?

    Air France flight 447

    If that site is to be trusted, a bomb is clearly out of the question as no people were found with burns. This also seems to invalidate a lightning strike on the fuel tanks.
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