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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

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    Two passengers on doomed Air France jet cleared of links to Islamic terrorism
    Two passengers on doomed Air France jet cleared of links to Islamic terrorism | Mail Online

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447: Two Passengers Shared Names Of Radical Muslims | World News | Sky News


    So was this more than just a pilot error or bad storm? Something about it has been fishy from the outset.

    I really hope they can find those black boxes.
    This has been my prediction on this forum from the beginning. What is not clear to me is why all the agencies and Governments involved REFUSE to even consider this as a plausible possibility with all the other absurd guessing of what could have happened to this aircraft.

    Fact; a Lufthansa airbus preceded this flight by a few minutes flying through the same weather...no issues. A Lufthansa airbus flight following this flight by a few minutes did not report any problems.

    FACT: A terrorist threat had been received days before and a previous Air France B777 flight was carefully inspected and cleared to leave.

    FACT: A few known terrorist suspects on the flights passenger list.

    So it begs the question; why are the world's Governments so desperate to assert that this could not be a terrorist act? Why not at least admit it could have been a factor instead of all the other wild speculations about what may have happened?

    It also begs the question that when I mentioned this on another thread, why did so many of DP’s members assault me for even providing the speculation that it was a bomb?
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, if the crew of the plane tried to crash the plane, why did they change flight paths to turn around and return to the airport? There's no way they could have gotten back to the airport to subdue the terrorists in time. It would have been much simplier to simple just throttle down into the ocean.

    This appears to be a mechanical failure. The fact that airliners across the planet are now changing equipment believed to have cause part of the crash is further evidence.
    Based on what information? Do you even know anything about flying and what a pitot tube does? The notion that the cause of the crash was a malfunctioned pitot tube on this aircraft is beyond stupid. Did you also know there is MORE than one on the airbus 330? There are THREE and they have heating elements to remove the existence of icing. In addition, the replacement of the Airbus pitot tubes was not a mandatory requirement as it posed no operational threat.

    During flight training, pilots are trained to LAND the aircraft without the benefit of the air speed indicator; this would include training for a tiny private plane. I have done this on many occasions for practice.

    It's absurd to assume that a professional pilot would have been so incompetent that losing his airspeed indicator would have caused massive disorientation resulting in the breakup of this aircraft.


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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And terrorism is virtually off the table:
    Which is bizzarre in the extreme; it begs the question why?

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post

    It's absurd to assume that a professional pilot would have been so incompetent that losing his airspeed indicator would have caused massive disorientation resulting in the breakup of this aircraft.

    Professional or non-professional, people are humans and make mistakes.

    Instrumentation loss can be catastrophic under the right circumstances, it isn't a simple matter of incompetence or lack therefore. There have been several crashes recently that - upon investigation - were caused (in part at least) due to a bad altimeter.

    There are many more cases where what would seem like a simple matter of instrumentation failue really set off a chain of events resulting in an aircraft's loss. Youtube some of those "seconds from disaster" videos on major airliner crashes, you will find plenty of examples..
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    FACT: A few known terrorist suspects on the flights passenger list.
    Did you not read the post directly above yours?

    Source [Mail Online | Two passengers on doomed Air France jet cleared of links to Islamic terrorism]

    Two men aboard doomed Air France Flight 447 have been cleared of having links to Islamic terrorism, it has been revealed.

    Posthumous security checks into the backgrounds of the men found that they solely ‘shared the same name’ as known Islamic radicals, even though their bodies have not yet been found.

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Professional or non-professional, people are humans and make mistakes.
    First question; are you a pilot?

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    Instrumentation loss can be catastrophic under the right circumstances, it isn't a simple matter of incompetence or lack therefore. There have been several crashes recently that - upon investigation - were caused (in part at least) due to a bad altimeter.
    There is a HUGE difference between a faulty altimeter setting and air speed indication. But that stated, a faulty altimeter reading at altitude is pretty meaningless until you start the landing over topography.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    There are many more cases where what would seem like a simple matter of instrumentation failue really set off a chain of events resulting in an aircraft's loss. Youtube some of those "seconds from disaster" videos on major airliner crashes, you will find plenty of examples..
    I challenge you to find ONE instance where a commercial flight accident was the result of a faulty air speed indicator or was the result of a chain of events that caused a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in high altitude flight.

    If you do, please post it here because all the information I have read on civil accidents do not include ONE regarding faulty air speed readings.

    Again, it begs the question; why is terrorism, which is more plausible than all the other explanations, OFF the table for all intents and purposes of the story line here?
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    At the time I posted this response, no; but that doesn't change my argument and even if these individuals are not linked to any particular group it begs the question; why is a terrorist bomb not plausible?

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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    First question; are you a pilot?
    The statement you posed that question to is common sense.

    I am going to start taking formal lessons once laser eye surgery for strabismus is perfected, I have the training books though, and have read up extensively on flying, and major aviation disasters.

    I challenge you to find ONE instance where a commercial flight accident was the result of a faulty air speed indicator or was the result of a chain of events that caused a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in high altitude flight.
    [emphasis mine]

    The de Havilland DH-106 Comet. Elba, Italy, and Stromboli, Italy crashes

    Granted that was the design of the aircraft, but it was a chain of events (fraturing/cracking/fatigue) leading to a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft in flight.

    Also:

    Even after millions of flights and scores of serious failures that have helped engineers build safer craft, commercial airliners still occasionally face an improbable chain of events that leads to disaster in a way no designer anticipated.
    LOSS OF THE SHUTTLE: THE THEORIES; Studies of Airplane Crashes Could Provide Guidance - The New York Times

    Just because it never happened before doesn't make it impossible.
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    Re: Air France a terrorist attack after all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    At the time I posted this response, no; but that doesn't change my argument and even if these individuals are not linked to any particular group it begs the question; why is a terrorist bomb not plausible?
    What evidence are you privy to that hints at a terrorist bomb?
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