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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

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    I'm not arguing whether it's the right thing to do or the wrong. I merely point out that we will be willing to go to great expense to retrieve the reporters wh o will no doubt claim to have been well treated and bear no grudge. In that case, I see no reason to prolong the suffering.

    Personally, I think that in this case NK is well within its rights and that we should take notes on how a sovereign nation traditionally treats the sanctity of its borders.

    In order to go to great lengths of recieving citizens back, we do not bow down to there demands, and encourage this type of behaviour, but to go to great lengths is to resolve the issue with combat. NK has left everybody with very little choice.
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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    I know I shouldn't feel this way, but every time I see a news story about these two reporters a little voice in my head says "so?".

    It seems to me that they are so stupid that they should produce a slight, measurable decrease in the average intelligence of whichever continent they are on.

    That said, I think the U.S. should just quietly pay a ransom for the dummies and be done with it. It's no doubt how things will wind up anyway.
    Yeah, it's so stupid to attempt to break open one of the most secretive countries in the world. So stupid of them to, you know, report on stuff.

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    Personally, I think that in this case NK is well within its rights and that we should take notes on how a sovereign nation traditionally treats the sanctity of its borders.
    They were not sentenced to 12 years hard labour for entering the country; they were (from South Korean sources) sentenced to 2 years for entering the country and for 10 years for "grave crimes against [the country]". They have yet to explain what these "grave crimes" are.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's highly doubtful that they would be placed in a conventional labour camp...
    On June 8, 2009, North Korea's Korean Central News Agency published the following terse story:

    The Central Court of the DPRK staged a trial of American journalists Laura Ling and Seung-eun Lee from June 4 to 8.

    The trial confirmed the grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing as they had already been indicted and sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labor.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    On June 8, 2009, North Korea's Korean Central News Agency published the following terse story:

    The Central Court of the DPRK staged a trial of American journalists Laura Ling and Seung-eun Lee from June 4 to 8.

    The trial confirmed the grave crime they committed against the Korean nation and their illegal border crossing as they had already been indicted and sentenced each of them to 12 years of reform through labor.
    I realize what they were convicted of, but I still don't think that they will be sent to a conventional labour camp.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    I realize what they were convicted of, but I still don't think that they will be sent to a conventional labour camp.
    The story mentions that they were sentenced to "reform through labor." I don't believe the story would have provided that detail if they were not sentenced to a labor camp. Which camp? That remains to be seen.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    Well, we get to see how Obama's "just talk nice" to these dictators works out. I sure have reservations about that.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    The story mentions that they were sentenced to "reform through labor." I don't believe the story would have provided that detail if they were not sentenced to a labor camp. Which camp? That remains to be seen.
    I'm not saying they won't be sentenced to labour; I'm saying that they are not going to put them into a camp with other Koreans because of the fact that they have never and will never let a foreigner anywhere near those. If they're not going to let foreigners anywhere near them I highly doubt that they would put American reporters inside them.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    They're not Stalinist; they are Jucheist.
    I knew you was going to correct me on that! You or Agnapostate.
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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    They may give the journalists back simply on the condition that Gore leave as soon as possible.

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    Re: Gore to North Korea for Reporter Negotiations? Prospect Fraught With Peril, Analy

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I knew you was going to correct me on that! You or Agnapostate.
    I wouldn't have bothered correcting you. Since I'm not a Marxist or a Leninist, I don't make a huge issue of distinguishing between similarly authoritarian philosophies. There is a difference to note, of course. If you'd described the DPRK as "socialist" or "communist," I would have certainly corrected you.

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