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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    AFAIK they are simply more of the same photos.
    IOW photos taken by the yahoos at Abu Ghraib...
    If they were just more of the same, there wouldn't be the need for secrecy.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    About as ridiculous as claiming that Bush's policies MAGICALLY stopped another terrorist attack.

    You can't PROVE that his policies stopped an attack.
    US surveillance helped stop attack


    You are correct it was not magic. It was a combined effort of taking down the walls of communications between state,local, and federal law enforcers that had been put in place by Jamie Gorelik. The international cooperation of police agencies, the new intelligence gathering polices, and the capture and successful waterboarding of KSM and friends.

    "With God’s wiling [sic], we are terrorists to the bone. So, many thanks to God."
    --KSM

    "I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew," he boasted to a U.S. military tribunal on March 10, referring to our colleague Daniel Pearl. "For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head."--KSM

    "KSM also admitted to being "directly in charge" of "managing and following up on the Cell for the Production of Biological Weapons, such as anthrax and others, and following up on Dirty Bomb Operations on American Soil." Given such a confession, is it too much to ask the FBI to reconsider its dogmatic view that the 2001 anthrax attacks could only have had a domestic source?"
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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Absolutely, however, since I have known racists comments from racists I tend to look at them maybe as you do, I try not to jump to conclusions so radically without at least letting the person state their point of view.

    Racism is BAD, I will agree. However, jumping to conclusions and accusing that someone may be racist is equally bad IMHO.

    EDIT: It's like saying that someone who is black is a criminal.
    I didn't accuse anybody of anything. I'm just questioning the repeated use of the phrase.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    US surveillance helped stop attack


    You are correct it was not magic. It was a combined effort of taking down the walls of communications between state,local, and federal law enforcers that had been put in place by Jamie Gorelik. The international cooperation of police agencies, the new intelligence gathering polices, and the capture and successful waterboarding of KSM and friends.

    "With God’s wiling [sic], we are terrorists to the bone. So, many thanks to God."
    --KSM

    "I decapitated with my blessed right hand the head of the American Jew," he boasted to a U.S. military tribunal on March 10, referring to our colleague Daniel Pearl. "For those who would like to confirm, there are pictures of me on the Internet holding his head."--KSM

    "KSM also admitted to being "directly in charge" of "managing and following up on the Cell for the Production of Biological Weapons, such as anthrax and others, and following up on Dirty Bomb Operations on American Soil." Given such a confession, is it too much to ask the FBI to reconsider its dogmatic view that the 2001 anthrax attacks could only have had a domestic source?"
    And these terrorists would not have been thwarted by the same means we have used?

    Like I said you can't say such a thing.

    There is nothing here that PROVES Bush's policies stopped that attack and that NORMAL vigilance wouldn't have.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    If they were just more of the same, there wouldn't be the need for secrecy.



    Obama asks court to block release of new Abu Ghraib images

    Anna Seaman

    President Barack Obama has asked a top court to block the release of another 2,000 images of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

    The photos, which some reports have claimed depict scenes of sexual violence, are part of a large criminal file compiled from an investigation carried out at the prison in 2004, following revelations of abuse of detainees by US soldiers.

    Despite initially promising to approve release of the photographs, Mr Obama reversed his decision, saying they would inflame the already fragile situation in Pakistan and endanger the lives of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.


    The demand for the photos release had come from the American Civil Liberties Union, which won a lawsuit under the Freedom of Information Act in Sept 2008.

    But in a report filed against that motion on Thursday, Gen David Petraeus, who oversees military operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, said: “The official release of those images, even if redacted to obscure identifying information could reasonably be expected to adversely impact current military, political and civil efforts.”

    On the same day, the White House also denied that the photographs showed any scenes of rape.

    Detail of the content was revealed by Major Gen Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted the original inquiry at Abu Ghraib. He told Britain’s Daily Telegraph newspaper that some photos taken by a female soldier showed a teenage boy being raped by a translator.
    Obama asks court to block release of new Abu Ghraib images - The National Newspaper





    (I hate to ask..but do you know what you're talking about here?)
    Last edited by Triad; 06-09-09 at 10:45 PM.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    I didn't accuse anybody of anything. I'm just questioning the repeated use of the phrase.
    I understand, but I was just telling you why he may have used it. I heard many on the left refer to Bush as "Your Boy" to other conservatives.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    And again, if they were the same, you could just reiterate those that did it were punished. Nothing more. Instead he is making a big deal out of it like there is something more to them.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Absolutely, however, since I have known racists comments from racists I tend to look at them maybe as you do, I try not to jump to conclusions so radically without at least letting the person state their point of view.

    Racism is BAD, I will agree. However, jumping to conclusions and accusing that someone may be racist is equally bad IMHO.

    EDIT: It's like saying that someone who is black is a criminal.
    Quoted again for truth.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I understand, but I was just telling you why he may have used it. I heard many on the left refer to Bush as "Your Boy" to other conservatives.
    Yes I do agree that some did call him Boy. I also noticed they called him other things way more often. But I have also noticed to some have started using "Your Boy" when referring to President Obama ten times more than anybody ever did for Bush. Perhaps Jall means nothing by it.
    Last edited by goldendog; 06-09-09 at 10:51 PM.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And these terrorists would not have been thwarted by the same means we have used?

    Like I said you can't say such a thing.

    There is nothing here that PROVES Bush's policies stopped that attack and that NORMAL vigilance wouldn't have.
    "Abu Zubaydah became compliant after 35 seconds of the water treatment.

    “It was like flipping a switch,” Mr. Kiriakou said of the shift from resistance to cooperation. He said he thought such “desperate measures” were justified in the “desperate time” in 2002 when another attack seemed imminent. "


    Abu led to many more captures including KSM. Leading to the capture of those asian Islamic recruits and prevention of the library towers incident.

    You cant prove other methods might have worked but you can prove that this did.
    Last edited by akyron; 06-09-09 at 11:05 PM.
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