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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Then I guess you should be complaining about the treatment then. Because without that treatment, there would have been no photos to put the soldiers lives in danger. Once again, the people in the U.S. government that did the treatment are the ones putting the lives of U.S. soldiers at risk by doing the treatment.
    Unless you are arguing the treatment is ongoing, this argument is a red herring.

    If the treatment is ongoing then these items are properly considered evidence for the prosecution, because these treatments are most decidedly at odds with Dear Leader's own stated policies. I despise Dear Leader, but I do acknowledge that he is for now the military's Commander-in-Chief, however artlessly he discharges that duty. As his policies forbade the treatments of which you are so pontifically indignant, the proper process should be investigation, indictment, and prosecution.

    In either circumstance, releasing these photos to the public unequivocally places American troops in harm's way, and is not something that needs doing, now or ever. Lunatic leftist voyeurism does not trump the lives of American soldiers.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    In either circumstance, releasing these photos to the public unequivocally places American troops in harm's way, and is not something that needs doing, now or ever. Lunatic leftist voyeurism does not trump the lives of American soldiers.
    The fact that people know these photos exist ALREADY put soldiers in harms way because people put their own spin on what's in the pictures.

    It's amazing that some do not already realize this fact.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's funny how during the Bush era conservatives called it deceit when Dems put in unrelated stuff to bills even when announcing it, but now that Lieberman and his pet dog are doing it, you agree with it.
    You aren't talking to all conservatives. You are speaking to me. If I made such a claim ever in the history of posting on this forum, please point me to it because I can't for the life of me remember having said anything of the sort.

    Now, back to the topic at hand. It's not deceit if they announce it beforehand. Stubborn, yes, but far from deceitful. I like Leiberman more and more every day.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Even if the photo release were justice, no justice is worth paying with the lives the American soldiers.
    I hear this quite a bit, and I'd like to ask what should be a very easy to answer series of questions. How do you actually know this will cost the lives of American soldiers? Can they be trying any harder to kill us than they already are? Or are we very close to winning them over and this could reignite hostility against us? Or is the argument that these photos will drive up til now peaceful Muslims to kill Americans? What information do you have that substantiates that these photos will actually increase the operational level of violence against our troops?
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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Now, back to the topic at hand. It's not deceit if they announce it beforehand. Stubborn, yes, but far from deceitful. I like Leiberman more and more every day.
    I have to go with jallman on this. Far from being deceitful about it, they are announcing well in advance their intentions. They want everyone to know what they are doing because this issue is that important to them. While I may or may not agree with their tactics, there's no hiding what they are doing.
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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I hear this quite a bit, and I'd like to ask what should be a very easy question to answer. How do you actually know this will cost the lives of American soldiers? Can they be trying any harder to kill us than they already are? Or are very close to winning them over and this could reignite hostility against us? Or is the argument that these photos will drive up til now peaceful Muslims to kill Americans? What information do you have that substantiates that these photos will actually increase the operational level of violence against our troops?
    Generals Petreaus (sp?) and Odierno have indicated this, and are supported in that assertion by Secretary of Defense Gates. Dear Leader accepts their assertion.

    I do not have primary empirical data to challenge their assertion, but, in view of the potential consequences (soldiers' lives at risk), I am prepared to take their assertion at face value. The generals especially have no dog in the political fight.

    As for the "how"....as violence had been on the decline in Iraq last year, and only recently began to creep upward, there is considerable room for an increase in hostilities within Iraq, should the insurgents there be sufficiently motivated.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It is deceit when a bill is supposed to be about something and spoiled brats try to put in an UNRELATED bill because they can't get their way.
    What good reason do you believe exists for publishing these photos that on balance is worth endangering American service personnel in a war zone?

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I like Leiberman more and more every day.
    Lieberman has always been a hero of mine, as well.

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    Re: Photo Fight: Lieberman and Graham Threaten Senate Shutdown

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The fact that people know these photos exist ALREADY put soldiers in harms way because people put their own spin on what's in the pictures.

    It's amazing that some do not already realize this fact.
    There is indeed danger attached to the awareness of the photos.

    There is more danger attached to the publication of the photos themselves.

    We cannot eliminate the danger of awareness, but that has no bearing on the danger attached to the publication, which can be eliminated by not publishing.

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