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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    No one should be arrested for anything other than their actions, provided those actions are breaking the law. Arresting people for their opinions is unconscionable and should go against everything we in the West stand for.
    I think you will find Kaya08 deals with this in posts 48 and 53

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. We have a similar party here in Switzerland that constantly dances on the fine line between free speech and racist or xenophobic comments. Some people get offended by their political ads. Our courts have repeatedly refused to sanction their right to free speech as long as the language they use doesn't cross the line. Everyone knows what they're all about. We all know they're a nationalist, racist, anti-foreigner, totally hyperbolic party.

    Yes, things need to cross the line here too

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    However, they can only go so far into promoting their views and even if they were to gain majority in government our laws prohibit most of what they advocate. So, let them rant and rave. At least they're out in the open where I can point and laugh at them for the clowns that they are. I wouldn't dream in a million years of ever getting the party banned or preventing them in any way from expressing themselves.
    I would imagine they would be able to do quite a lot of change just the same as Nazi Germany managed, if they ever got themselves into that position.


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    No. A pedophile is only arrested when they act on their impulses. I've never heard of anyone, in any Western country who was arrested BEFORE they did anything wrong.
    You missed my post 22

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    True but if they were in private getting up to their pedophile activity they would be arrested. That is the situation with the BNP.


    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    Like I said, no need. I know exactly who and what they are. The only way to effectively fight against their nonsense is to use arguments of your own that make more sense than theirs, which really should not prove all that difficult. Banning their words will accomplish nothing of substance as it will stifle a debate that needs to take place in the public arena.
    We have to go within the laws of this country. They have found that not saying things and saying things in a different way - 'that is selling, not selling out' has been an advantage to them. I think you will find Hitler managed his presentation quite similarly.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I rather they where not racist at all. To stand up and call a Pakistani a Paki will get you a prison sentence. .
    Insanity. Seriously, insanity.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Insanity. Seriously, insanity.
    To you insanity, to us not.

    I definitely prefer living in a society which has as it's base a dislike of humiliating or oppressing people based on their race, religion, sexual orientation or gender.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I think you will find Kaya08 deals with this in posts 48 and 53
    He's talking about discrimination. Discrimination of any kind absolutely should be illegal. Expressing racist, homophobic or misogynist ideas should not be illegal at all. Again, the difference between talking and acting. Once you're no longer just talking but actively denying others their rights, then you've crossed the line.


    Yes, things need to cross the line here too
    It's the way it should be. Don't cross the line and you're free to say whatever you wish.



    I would imagine they would be able to do quite a lot of change just the same as Nazi Germany managed, if they ever got themselves into that position.

    You give the British people very little credit. I believe you're way better than that.



    You missed my post 22
    If the BNP are breaking laws they should be prosecuted. Why haven't they yet? What laws are they breaking in private and if it's private how do you know so much about it?


    We have to go within the laws of this country. They have found that not saying things and saying things in a different way - 'that is selling, not selling out' has been an advantage to them. I think you will find Hitler managed his presentation quite similarly.
    Enough with Godwin's law, already.

    Britain is NOT Nazi-Germany. Can we please deal with present day reality here? If they cross the line, then arrest them. Otherwise, just counter their arguments with your own. In public.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    BBC NEWS | Politics | BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    He was met by angry ant-fascist protesters and union members who do not believe he has the right for free speech.

    It is an interesting situation. I know my own daughter who knows little of politics could not believe it when she heard they were standing for the European Parliament. She felt they should not be allowed to stand.

    I have to admit I feel quite pleased when I see this towards the BNP.

    He himself of course will be demanding more protection.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    You give the British people very little credit. I believe you're way better than that.
    You claimed you had laws which would stop people like the BNP from gaining power in Switzerland. My answer was nothing to do with the British people. It was to do with my not being aware of us having any law which could prevent the BNP from fulfilling their desires if they were able to somehow get into power.

    The have already stated on the same you tube talk in which they said they were 'selling, not selling out' that once they got 'control' of the BBC that might not be necessary. They are also intending on banning a lot of outside news. They promote this by illustrating outside news influence which is not popular.


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    If the BNP are breaking laws they should be prosecuted. Why haven't they yet? What laws are they breaking in private and if it's private how do you know so much about it?
    When they are found they are prosecuted. I gave you a link. Here it is again The real BNP: Scratch the surface and you find the same old racist organisation have a look there. The BBC has made secret films of them agitating violence in Muslim areas and various other things.




    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post

    Britain is NOT Nazi-Germany. Can we please deal with present day reality here? If they cross the line, then arrest them. Otherwise, just counter their arguments with your own. In public.
    No one is dealing with anything but the present day. There really is very little more to say. It has all been said if you read the rest of the thread.

    Egg throwing is not really an enormous crime here anyway. It has been a tradition for a long time. We have no need to like the BNP if we do not and we have every right to make that dislike known in any way we choose within the law.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    I like the post that free speech requires honest speech. If that were true, then every American president would end up in prison as soon as they left office.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I gave you a link. Here it is again The real BNP: Scratch the surface and you find the same old racist organisation have a look there.
    And I gave you a link the owner of the site you recommend, Gerry gable Is a commie with a criminal record have a look here Searchlight Exposed.com

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    You claimed you had laws which would stop people like the BNP from gaining power in Switzerland. My answer was nothing to do with the British people. It was to do with my not being aware of us having any law which could prevent the BNP from fulfilling their desires if they were able to somehow get into power.
    How would they not be prevented from fulfilling their desires with all the anti-racism and anti-discrimination laws you've got in the books? And also with the majority of British people actually backing multiculturalism, unless I'm wrong and they don't really like the status quo.

    The have already stated on the same you tube talk in which they said they were 'selling, not selling out' that once they got 'control' of the BBC that might not be necessary. They are also intending on banning a lot of outside news. They promote this by illustrating outside news influence which is not popular.
    What a bunch of clowns. I'd like to see them try this. You give them way too much credit. Which brings me back to my earlier point that the British public would never let this happen. Many right-wing parties in Europe have managed to get themselves elected and none have ever amounted to anything or got anything accomplished while in power. I really don't think that Britain would be the exception to this.




    Egg throwing is not really an enormous crime here anyway. It has been a tradition for a long time. We have no need to like the BNP if we do not and we have every right to make that dislike known in any way we choose within the law.
    No one is asking you to like them. All you have to do is tolerate their existence, because like it or not, they are a reality and they do have supporters. Throwing eggs is funny, but intelligent debate would be much more effective in fighting them. It would be so very easy to make them look like the fools they are. I'm surprised they haven't been completely discredited by now.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    People need to calm down on BNP.

    2 seats out of over 700.
    Is it threatening? Really?
    They can't introduce racial laws so people need to chill.


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