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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    racial discrimination is happening all the time and regardless if you ignore or not, it will affect you, cause divisions and possibly incite violence. Its morally wrong to allow a society to be racist and get away with it; these laws are implace to protect society from such inappropriate behaviour so there rights of being equal in society can be protected, so that black man can work in this shop, or the white girl can live wherever. That is the society we must promote. Fascist parties and movements gain ground if we do not restrict such speech.
    It appears to me, from the british experience, that the opposite is true. By silencing speech you don't want to hear, you give people the impression that they are powerless, and they do react to that.

    It's one thing to discriminate in employment or housing on the basis of race. It's another thing entirely to silence people.

    People can think what they want as long as they ACT within the limits of the law, in the U.S.The UK Race Relations Act 1976 and all of its amendments and extensions protect individuals from being discriminated against in employment on the grounds of colour, race, nationality, religious beliefs or ethnicity. This Act does not distinguish between whether racist practices were done on purpose or not, it is concerned only with the fact that racial discrimination occurred. Four main types of discrimination are described in legislation related to employment. Direct discrimination is deliberate and obvious, for example if a promotion is being held only for members of one race.

    Indirect discrimination occurs when practices of policies disadvantage one or more racial groups, such as requiring members of one race to complete more tasks than another but expecting them to get their work done just as quickly. Harassment occurs when the workplace is allowed to become a hostile environment for members of a certain race, whether through direct threats, methods of intimidation or "jokes" about that race.
    I don't support racial harassment and/or discrimination on the job. But being called a name by a random stranger on a street is not a crime. Nor should someone's personal racial views CAUSE them to be disqualified from political office (though I would not vote for a known racist).

    I don't need you to quote the law to me, the idea that any political speech should somehow be made illegal--even iif it is racist--is simply...a bad idea.

    I know that you are young and have been fully indoctrinated in the concept, but to an American, this is an appalling concept.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You cant apply the same logic to every situation such as Anti-Semitism or the use of the N word which isnt the case. Regardless of what society racism takes place in, racial discrimination is happening all the time and regardless if you ignore or not, it will affect you, cause divisions and possibly incite violence. Its morally wrong to allow a society to be racist and get away with it; these laws are implace to protect society from such inappropriate behaviour so there rights of being equal in society can be protected, so that black man can work in this shop, or the white girl can live wherever. That is the society we must promote. Fascist parties and movements gain ground if we do not restrict such speech.



    The street example was just that, an example, and racism and discrimination can occur anywhere; be it in the work place, or wherever, and can harm and affect you directly.

    The UK Race Relations Act 1976 and all of its amendments and extensions protect individuals from being discriminated against in employment on the grounds of colour, race, nationality, religious beliefs or ethnicity. This Act does not distinguish between whether racist practices were done on purpose or not, it is concerned only with the fact that racial discrimination occurred. Four main types of discrimination are described in legislation related to employment. Direct discrimination is deliberate and obvious, for example if a promotion is being held only for members of one race.


    Indirect discrimination occurs when practices of policies disadvantage one or more racial groups, such as requiring members of one race to complete more tasks than another but expecting them to get their work done just as quickly. Harassment occurs when the workplace is allowed to become a hostile environment for members of a certain race, whether through direct threats, methods of intimidation or "jokes" about that race.
    Jokes about race are illegal? You have to be kidding. And before you call me a racist, let me crack a few jokes. I am half Irish (on my father's side) and half Jewish (on my mother's side).

    How did my father's ancestors emigrate to America? The first one swam across the Atlantic, and the rest walked across on the scum.

    Everybody on my mother's side have big noses. Why is that? Because air is free.

    When I was growing up, I wanted to be a cop, like so many on my father's side were, but I couldn't because of my mother's side. If I were to stop someone for speeding, I wouldn't know whether to write him a ticket or stone him to death.

    The reason my parents got divorced? When my mother was pregnant, my father asked her if she had something in the oven.

    They are just jokes, folks. Should I now place myself under arrest for racially trashing my whole family? LOL.

    Jokes?

    I don't care!!
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think the reason that the BNP is gaining traction in your country, frankly, is because a lot of people feel like they are being silenced, and they resent some of the changes that immigration have imposed on the British way of life.
    In reality no restriction of speech or "silencing" is happening when you take into account a general overview of policies that regulate speech. Apart from the hate crimes act, and political correctness formed through an extension of these policies because of the Labour party and the EU, its not so much our freedom of speech that concerns us, but our Civil Liberties, for example, the ID cards, the DNA databases, and then theres constant security leaks, the corruption, but Civil Liberties is nothing the BNP wouldnt take from us in a different form through racist policies. The racism act is pretty favourable here and racism widely fround apon, which is why we have a habbit of lobbing eggs at racist idiots like the BNP leader. Regardless of the low turnout, BNP gained ground because Britons are trying to find jobs in an economic crisis but are beaten to it by Poles, Bulgarians, the whole lot of non-natives that seem to undermine this country.

    So, in essence, I would call these votes for the BNP a vote against the idea of thought crimes.
    Thought crimes? You mean racism crimes. As i stated, no, and plus you cannot conclude this with given information.

    I'd rather have someone openly express their racism than have it forced underground to fester.
    I rather they where not racist at all. To stand up and call a Pakistani a Paki will get you a prison sentence. To say you want them out of the country without inciting direct racism through insults, you can slip away with that, hence the existence of the BNP.

    And in the states, black people call each other the n-word regularly. So, how would you enforce laws against that, precisely?
    Thats like me calling you a cracker. Im not discriminating you because i too am a cracker, and the law doesnt cover that. Its called acts, they can be modified to provide extensions and it doesnt need to be so straight foward.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    They are just jokes, folks. Should I now place myself under arrest for racially trashing my whole family? LOL.
    Yes, but only because you're an evil racist white dude.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Jokes about race are illegal? You have to be kidding. And before you call me a racist, let me crack a few jokes. I am half Irish (on my father's side) and half Jewish (on my mother's side).

    How did my father's ancestors emigrate to America? The first one swam across the Atlantic, and the rest walked across on the scum.

    Everybody on my mother's side have big noses. Why is that? Because air is free.

    When I was growing up, I wanted to be a cop, like so many on my father's side were, but I couldn't because of my mother's side. If I were to stop someone for speeding, I wouldn't know whether to write him a ticket or stone him to death.

    The reason my parents got divorced? When my mother was pregnant, my father asked her if she had something in the oven.

    They are just jokes, folks. Should I now place myself under arrest for racially trashing my whole family? LOL.

    If they are not meant to offend or incite hatred then its cool. Some people call me an Armenian killer or a Bacon roll as a joke, that stuff can pass, if its not meant to insult and incite hatred.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes, but only because you're an evil racist white dude.
    Take that back, honky!!
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Take that back, honky!!
    That's featherwood to you, ya glib potato-eater.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Free speech also requires honest speech.
    No, no, no it doesn't, and who is to decide?

    The press will hold feet to fire should they not believe the speech to be dishonest; or their political opponents will. (Note to John McCain).
    We do have laws about holocaust deniers here.
    This is as idiotic as the deniers themselves.
    We also have laws about 'incitement to violence' and racism
    Part 1 is OK, but part II isn't. Racists should be able to spew their poison, even from the pulpit as Rev. Wright had.

    No one is complaining about free speech except where that free speech is an incitement to harm others.
    Problem is, who is to decide?

    Inciting violence is once thing, but people should be able to spew idiocy all they like.

    And to add to Danarhea's joke list:
    Did you know the Polish invented the triathlon?
    The jogged to the swimming pool and after a couple hours rode a bike home.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    They would be arrested for their views and their actions. However they have been very clever in being deceptive.
    No one should be arrested for anything other than their actions, provided those actions are breaking the law. Arresting people for their opinions is unconscionable and should go against everything we in the West stand for.

    I've been trying to find some information from their website through 'back in time' which I found before which would illustrate this very well but there is a lot to look through and it is not impossible they have removed it.

    It would give you some idea of what I am talking about.
    Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about. We have a similar party here in Switzerland that constantly dances on the fine line between free speech and racist or xenophobic comments. Some people get offended by their political ads. Our courts have repeatedly refused to sanction their right to free speech as long as the language they use doesn't cross the line. Everyone knows what they're all about. We all know they're a nationalist, racist, anti-foreigner, totally hyperbolic party. However, they can only go so far into promoting their views and even if they were to gain majority in government our laws prohibit most of what they advocate. So, let them rant and rave. At least they're out in the open where I can point and laugh at them for the clowns that they are. I wouldn't dream in a million years of ever getting the party banned or preventing them in any way from expressing themselves.

    If a pedophile wanted to work with children and said they loved them and you knew what they meant by them saying that, you could say they would be arrested if the truth were known.
    No. A pedophile is only arrested when they act on their impulses. I've never heard of anyone, in any Western country who was arrested BEFORE they did anything wrong.

    It is similar to that. We do know the truth. The media knows the truth but the BNP are very clever at the moment in their presentation. When as does happen a Member is caught in action they will describe that person as a 'bad apple'. They have a heck of a lot of bad apples.

    If you want to find out more about them you can find it here

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    Like I said, no need. I know exactly who and what they are. The only way to effectively fight against their nonsense is to use arguments of your own that make more sense than theirs, which really should not prove all that difficult. Banning their words will accomplish nothing of substance as it will stifle a debate that needs to take place in the public arena.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    They would be arrested for their views and their actions. However they have been very clever in being deceptive.

    I've been trying to find some information from their website through 'back in time' which I found before which would illustrate this very well but there is a lot to look through and it is not impossible they have removed it.


    If you want to find out more about them you can find it here

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