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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Yeah I think British commitment to personal liberties is pretty laughable. How many CCTV cameras do they have?
    Couldn't agree with you more there. And the number of people who have had their DNA taken. We have been very sloppy letting all this happen.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    So the US has people calling people of different races disgusting manes and refusing them employment because of this does it. Calling someone a N is completely fine in the Us?
    You can call anyone whatever you want, however discrimination in housing or employment is illegal (at least racial discrimination).
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Why not? To stand in the street and scream at someone "Oi Chocolate face!" or "Popodom", shouldnt be illegal? Its disgusting behaviour and its wrong and it incites hatred. In Britain and alot of Northern/Western European nations, racism is an offence and so it should remain. I dont agree with hate crimes because there is absolutely no need but Racism offences, im for.
    Yeah, in adult societies with a long history of pluralism, we have realized that there is no protection against being offended. So, someone might be able to call me a white bitch, and I'd learn to suck it up and deal.

    I don't live my life based upon what random idiots in the streets might think of me. Nor do I think that such things are particularly impactful in comparison to the government deciding what people can, and cannot, say.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    So the US has people calling people of different races disgusting manes and refusing them employment because of this does it. Calling someone a N is completely fine in the Us?
    Theres an example of a racism offence.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    So the US has people calling people of different races disgusting names and refusing them employment because of this does it. Calling someone a N is completely fine in the Us?
    I have no problem with it. I also have no problem with somebody calling me a honky. LOL.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Theres an example of a racism offence.
    Calling someone names in the U.S. is NOT illegal. Of course, if you call the wrong person the n-word, for instance, they may kick your ass, and a jury may find them innocent of wrong-doing.

    It's a calculated risk.

    I personally don't use racial slurs because I think doing so marks you as an imbecile, but it's not because it's illegal.

    I think the reason that the BNP is gaining traction in your country, frankly, is because a lot of people feel like they are being silenced, and they resent some of the changes that immigration have imposed on the British way of life.

    So, in essence, I would call these votes for the BNP a vote against the idea of thought crimes.

    I'd rather have someone openly express their racism than have it forced underground to fester.

    And in the states, black people call each other the n-word regularly. So, how would you enforce laws against that, precisely?
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post

    I think the reason that the BNP is gaining traction in your country, frankly, is because a lot of people feel like they are being silenced, and they resent some of the changes that immigration have imposed on the British way of life.
    The BNP is not gaining anything. They had less votes. They simply got their seats because many people were still in the huff over expenses and so did not vote.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yeah, in adult societies, we realize that there is no protection against being offended. So, someone might be able to call me a white bitch, and I'd learn to suck it up and deal.
    You cant apply the same logic to every situation such as Anti-Semitism or the use of the N word which isnt the case. Regardless of what society racism takes place in, racial discrimination is happening all the time and regardless if you ignore or not, it will affect you, cause divisions and possibly incite violence. Its morally wrong to allow a society to be racist and get away with it; these laws are implace to protect society from such inappropriate behaviour so there rights of being equal in society can be protected, so that black man can work in this shop, or the white girl can live wherever. That is the society we must promote. Fascist parties and movements gain ground if we do not restrict such speech.

    I don't live my life based upon what random idiots in the streets might think of me. Nor do I think that such things are particularly impactful in comparison to the government deciding what people can, and cannot, say.
    The street example was just that, an example, and racism and discrimination can occur anywhere; be it in the work place, or wherever, and can harm and affect you directly.

    The UK Race Relations Act 1976 and all of its amendments and extensions protect individuals from being discriminated against in employment on the grounds of colour, race, nationality, religious beliefs or ethnicity. This Act does not distinguish between whether racist practices were done on purpose or not, it is concerned only with the fact that racial discrimination occurred. Four main types of discrimination are described in legislation related to employment. Direct discrimination is deliberate and obvious, for example if a promotion is being held only for members of one race.


    Indirect discrimination occurs when practices of policies disadvantage one or more racial groups, such as requiring members of one race to complete more tasks than another but expecting them to get their work done just as quickly. Harassment occurs when the workplace is allowed to become a hostile environment for members of a certain race, whether through direct threats, methods of intimidation or "jokes" about that race.
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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    The BNP is not gaining anything. They had less votes. They simply got their seats because many people were still in the huff over expenses and so did not vote.
    They have seats they did not have. You can this any way you like. Apparently, their supporters were more motivated to vote than others.

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    Re: BNP leader pelted in egg protest

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    They have seats they did not have. You can this any way you like. Apparently, their supporters were more motivated to vote than others.
    That is true extremists always are more motivated to vote than others. However even their vote was down. Hence their support is really down. Their supporters unlike others particularly Labour supporters were not in the huff with them and deliberately not voting for that reason.

    The squeezed in on the lowest PR vote to get their seats. Their vote was down That is simply reality.

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