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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    By developing critical thinking from a young age, you don't need to string them along so that they retain stuff for later. They'll understand why it is they're learning what they're learning, instead of learning for the material reward. Once the reward is gone, they'll simply look for an alternative for making the reward instead of doing something they are passionate about.
    I disagree. Once the reward is gone, they'll be intelligent high school graduates who have excellent opportunities for college and/or work, as opposed to high school dropouts.

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    It makes me think of all those people I met in college who had no idea why they were taking the degree they were taking, but they just wanted a degree because, in theory, having a degree would land them a "good job" and more money, even though they had no idea what career they wanted to be in. These people were doomed to failure.
    But the difference is they chose to go to college, so they obviously have some motivation (and I disagree with your assessment that people are doomed to failure if they don't know what they want to do with their lives when they're 18, but I digress).

    Many primary and secondary school students don't see any reason to succeed. Is any first-grader really motivated to learn addition because he might land a high-paying job as a physicist when he's 25? Not many.

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    Paying kids to learn is giving up on teaching them real values.
    What "real values" are you referring to?

    Paying them is a much cheaper and more effective way of motivating kids to learn, than many of the other things on which schools waste money.
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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I disagree. Once the reward is gone, they'll be intelligent high school graduates who have excellent opportunities for college and/or work, as opposed to high school dropouts.
    Who have been taught to pursue things for material reasons the entire time. Sounds rather capitalist to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    But the difference is they chose to go to college, so they obviously have some motivation (and I disagree with your assessment that people are doomed to failure if they don't know what they want to do with their lives when they're 18, but I digress).
    Motivation, yes, but direction, no. I agree with what you say about 18 year olds, which is why I don't support people entering college until they have a pretty solid idea about what they want to do. Going directly from high school to uni is one of the worst directions, in my view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Many primary and secondary school students don't see any reason to succeed. Is any first-grader really motivated to learn addition because he might land a high-paying job as a physicist when he's 25? Not many.
    Does any first grader really want to be in school in the first place? A kid that age just wants to play and have fun. When I was that age I didn't even think about money. I was happy being given $5 by my parents to run to the corner store and buy some candy.

    Schools shouldn't be dishing out material rewards for success of students. That is the job of parents.

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    What "real values" are you referring to?
    Whatever values their parents wish to teach them. I would be against the school giving my kid money and circumventing my authority.

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    Paying them is a much cheaper and more effective way of motivating kids to learn, than many of the other things on which schools waste money.
    Sounds like it's still quite experimental, and it's a copout. It's as though they've tried everything else and they're just saying, "I'll give you a dollar if you do it?"

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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    From the article
    About two-thirds of the 59 high-poverty schools in the Sparks program -- which pays seventh-graders up to $500 and fourth-graders as much as $250 for their performance on a total of 10 assessments -- improved their scores since last year's state tests by margins above the citywide average.
    These are kids from poor families. Not well-off high-schoolers in the suburbs. Give the poor kids money to not only motivate them, but possibly give them financial opportunities they may not have had before. Now they can save for college, a car, or buy a computer. Things that I'm sure their parents could not have afforded to reward them with.

    I agree we shouldn't ever adopt this as a national standard, and poor kids shouldn't be dealt with exactly the same as kids from middle class schools. The impoverished obviously have living hardships that need to be acknowledged and addressed along with their children's learning agenda. A program like this appears to address both, so I see no problem with it.

    Unless they start cheating...
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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    I'd prefer they win scholarship money vs cold hard cash. But then again I give my kids money for good grades and there are parents who can't afford to do so.

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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    Too bad they can't reward them with legitimate parents. That's what they really need.

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    Re: NYC 7th Graders Receive Cash for High Grades on Standardized Tests

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    By rewarding students for their hard work NOW, schools provide an incentive to learn.
    While also providing the kids with the experience of receiving compensation for hard work.

    I think this is a great idea if the school can realistically afford it.
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