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Thread: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Eliminating CalWORKS would be a shock to the system that would surpass even the Great Depression.

    Assuming Los Angeles does not erupt in mass riots as a result, once that shock passes it could be the best thing to happen to California economically.

    The flat tax is an outstanding concept--one I've been in favor of at the national level for years.

    If these ideas become law, then kudos to California for not letting a good budget crisis go to waste.
    No.

    Look at it this way.

    If California is the first to drop welfare, those parasites might get excited for a little while, provide some free entertainment on the news, and then they'd move to ummm...Tulsa.

    Okies in reverse.


    Sounds like a boon any which way you look at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So now the poor are "maggots"? The classlessness of some retards on this forum never ceases to amaze me.
    Careful with the stones in your glass condo there I've seen some inflammatory and hyperbolic terminology out of you yourself

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    If it is not a swipe against the euro, then why mention it at all?
    It was a statement of fact.

    You're making the mistake of measuring a nation's economic strength by the amount of revenue the government rakes in.

    That's strange.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    How about California cuts services and increases all of its taxes in a non-progressive way?
    Screw that. How about if California cuts services and taxes, which would grow the economy and then cut taxes again when things have improved.

    That's a plan with legs, buddy.

    Let the poor move to Massachussets.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    A union doesn't need the government for them to work. Strikes, boycotts, closed shop action, it all doesn't require the government.
    Oh, yeah?

    Union goes on strike.

    Management hires new workers.

    Union goes off strike.

    Without government goon interference, why should the management allow those strikers back into the shop?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Careful with the stones in your glass condo there I've seen some inflammatory and hyperbolic terminology out of you yourself
    Like calling the poor "maggots"? Hardly.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    What if everyone who was trained in air traffic control went on strike. Then the union could make any demands it wanted.

    Am I wrong?
    Yep, since PATCO did go on strike.

    And Reagan did the right thing and fired their butts.

    And the nation survived just handily.

    PATCO didn't do so well.

    Even something as specialized as ATC couldn't make a strike stick in the face of an employer determined to do the right thing.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    They already tried this. It was an epic fail for the union.

    The union apparently didn't have a large enough stake in the elligible worker pool, so they didn't deserve a raise.

    However, Reagan acted too harshly by first blacklisting the workers. (but luckily he resinded that, which some terms)

    I don't see how this relates to a union not being able to exist. If there is unemployed air traffic controllers then the wages should not raise for the people with jobs. That much is odvious, so this doesn't really mean that unions are inherently evil.
    Why was it wrong to blacklist them, since they were practicing extortion?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nice math but you totally miss the point as a good right winger. You are so focused on the "rich" that you fail to see the huge majority of the people are in the first 2 categories. So you are basically saying, screw the less well off as long as the super rich get their tax breaks because then they can maybe invest the money somewhere. Like it or not person 1 and 2 are what drive any economy. Person 3 can invest all his wealth but without the spending of person 1 and 2, person 3 will never achieve or expand on his or her wealth.

    And I love your last comment.. may I ask where your compassion is for person 1 and 2 when they cant afford to buy food for their children or cloths for themselves? Person 3 can afford to pay that little extra in taxes, where as person 1 and 2 cant. Giving a tax break to the majority of people vs the very small minority is and always has been the best course, but listening to you only the rich matter. Great compassion there dude.

    The "point" is that under the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution it's unconstitutional to unequally tax the individual.

    They either pay the same tax, or they pay the same rate.

    Taxing some more merely because they have more is a complete violation of the Constitutional guarantee of equal protection to all persons under the law.

    Unless lying socialists have a different concept of "equal" than what's listed in the dictionaries.

    Guess what? Compassion isn't a government mandate. You want compassion? Become a politically popular disease.

    Socialists don't have compassion.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The entire state is affected by the situation, and to remove calWORKS completely would have a profound ripple effect throughout the state and the country.
    That sounds like a good thing.

    Lots of poor people like Ripple, too.

    Oh, and guess what? It's not the job of the California legislature to worry about how their actions affect the "rest of the country". Nope, not at all.

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