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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't think that a variety of people here realize for most intensive purposes that welfare is nothing more than a fee we pay to poor people to stop them from robbing us and burglarizing our houses.
    If there were -ever- a case for -ending- welfare, it is this.

    Paying people to not be criminals is among the WORST thing a society can do.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If there were -ever- a case for -ending- welfare, it is this.
    Huh? So we should enact measures that increase criminal activity?

    Paying people to not be criminals is among the WORST thing a society can do.
    What makes you think we don't do this in a variety of ways already, with the middle class and upper class?

    Furthermore, not all of the poor will go criminal should welfare end.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    A Smith&Wesson in every household would be far cheaper.
    Not really. Most gun owners are not the most intelligent people, especially when it comes to safety. Giving everyone a firearm when even the avid collectors don't have the best practices is essentially like forcing bars to accept people with guns. Yay! Alcohol and firearms are a bad combination, as is stupidity and firearms, not to mention inexperience/ignorance and firearms.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'd read the Fair Tax book anyway, whether you agree with the premise or not it is a good read, I agree with you that it has little chance of being implemented for two reasons, one, as you mentioned the IRS doesn't want to give up it's power, and also the CPA lobby enjoys the easy way of "big hitting" around April 15, i.e., the bulk of their incomes comes between Jan.-Apr. with late filers allowing them to basically coast the rest of the year, with a flat tax these CPAs would actually have to find employment with companies and *gasp* work year round like the rest of us. I'll say this though, the fair tax is so simple it's brilliant.

    The idea is to implement the tax first, it is weighted to provide sufficient operating funds for existing programs with the idea of weening the government off of spending and waste in an economically viable timeframe, the concept involves a trimming effect on overspending, forcing programs to lean down through the natural progression of legislative law, not by shock and awe economic leveraging

    Most fair minded conservatives would state that we have too many entitlements, but we have so much at the moment that immediate elimination would damage the economy past the benefit of the reductions, many of us advocate a strategic roll back of programs to what is necessary, but to eliminate the fat, we would use a scalpel, not a hatchet. I agree, but I would also commend those that put their position at risk to do what needs to be done towards solvency.
    Thank you for the insight. I'm going to do some more research. I'm afraid however that I'm going to find that it in fact is a brilliant idea and I will become despondent over the probability that it will never be realized due to tradition.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Most gun owners are not the most intelligent people, especially when it comes to safety.
    A statement you cannot, in any way, support.

    Giving everyone a firearm when even the avid collectors don't have the best practices...
    Another statement you cannot, in any way, support.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    How much is spent on CalWorks each year? Anybody know?
    California would save $157 million in the general fund by cutting CalWORKs altogether, according to the County Welfare Directors Association. But the group warns that the state would lose some $620 million in federal funds for the program. Palmer put the projected federal loss much higher, at $3.7 billion.
    Budget plan could doom CalWORKS aid to families, children - Sacramento News - Local and Breaking Sacramento News | Sacramento Bee

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Huh? So we should enact measures that increase criminal activity?
    Why should a society pay people to not be criminals?
    What lesson is learned by people who are paid to not be criminals?
    Shouldnt they not be criminals under any condition?

    What makes you think we don't do this in a variety of ways already, with the middle class and upper class?
    The fact that you havent shown it to be true.

    Furthermore, not all of the poor will go criminal should welfare end.
    So, the effect of elimitating welfare, in terms of your argument of there being more crime, isn't as terrible as you suggested. Noted.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    If a program makes 7.35x the amount that is put into it, as far as economic impact, why is there a need for federal assistance for the program? The system supposedly pays for itself 7 times over?
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    California has enough tax revenues, so the flat tax should be considered only as a means of more fairly distributing the tax burden onto the maggots who aren't paying it, the poor.

    The problem California has is it's spending addiction. Eliminating welfare is a fine first step that's not going to happen, and it's only mentioned anywhere to stir up the apathetic parasites that didn't vote for the tax increases in the last special election.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    California has enough tax revenues, so the flat tax should be considered only as a means of more fairly distributing the tax burden onto the maggots who aren't paying it, the poor.
    So now the poor are "maggots"? The classlessness of some retards on this forum never ceases to amaze me.

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