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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    It's pretty ridiculous to claim that a program as successful as calWORKS is responsible for this when the government has been basically hemorrhaging money in much more bureaucratic and wasteful ways, just like every other state (and the federal government, as well).

    "Blame the leftists" seems to me to be more of a cop out than an actual addressing of the issue.
    You certainly aren't suggesting that conservative economic policies caused this, are you?


    The return is in not having the entire state collapse into rioting, chaos and economic meltdown, which is what would happen if they got rid of calWORKS.
    What proof do you have that there would be riots and chaos? Assuming for a moment that you are correct, the fact that this would happen shows the failure of calWORKS, not the success, that people would start rioting because they stopped receiving other peoples' money they didn't work for rather than pick themselves up and go out looking for an income of their own.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    The entire state is affected by the situation, and to remove calWORKS completely would have a profound ripple effect throughout the state and the country.
    So what? The current situation is having a profound ripple effect right now. It's time for the gravy train to be retired.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Actually that article does show that; I just didn't quote it because the amount of people on it at any one time is irrelevant, as it reaches many more people than the amount simply on it in one instance.
    The production of the private sector. For each dollar that it uses, how much economic activity is generated? After all, we need to compare your figure to something right?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    You certainly aren't suggesting that conservative economic policies caused this, are you?
    No, I'm not being partisan; I'm more referring to the inadequacy of this government in responsibly handling its finances in general, which includes both republicans and democrats.

    The production of the private sector. For each dollar that it uses, how much economic activity is generated? After all, we need to compare your figure to something right?
    What? I don't understand what you're asking here, but if I'm guessing right then your answer is in my last post:

    According to the study, every $1 million spent on CalWORKs generates $7.35 million in economic output and employment in the state, he said.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What? I don't understand what you're asking here, but if I'm guessing right then your answer is in my last post:

    According to the study, every $1 million spent on CalWORKs generates $7.35 million in economic output and employment in the state, he said.
    I want you to show me this figure, just fill in the blank:

    Every $1 million spent by the private sector generates $____ million in economic output and employment in the state.

    This way we'll have a point of comparison.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Actually that article does show that; I just didn't quote it because the amount of people on it at any one time is irrelevant, as it reaches many more people than the amount simply on it in one instance.
    So... you cannot show your claim to be true. Noted.

    Just like how you wanted me to show that there was no Iraq-US cease-fire agreement? I'm not interested in wasting my time writing a book on something that you would just troll in response.
    Again... you cannot show your claim to be true. Noted.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    For the love of God, why is this so hard to grasp? I understood this concept in fourth grade, yet liberals love to wrap the "Reaganomics" tag on it and make it sound like some grand Ponzi scheme.

    Either liberals are intellectually dishonest enough to argue against what they know to be true, or they are dumber than I was in fourth grade. I suspect the former, and unfortunately for them it flies in the face of their political agenda, which is to reward the lazy in exchange for the collective vote.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And I don't think California will ever just turn off welfare. As has been pointed out, the state would erupt in riots.
    I don't think that a variety of people here realize for most intensive purposes that welfare is nothing more than a fee we pay to poor people to stop them from robbing us and burglarizing our houses.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't think that a variety of people here realize for most intensive purposes that welfare is nothing more than a fee we pay to poor people to stop them from robbing us and burglarizing our houses.
    A Smith&Wesson in every household would be far cheaper.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post

    According to the study, every $1 million spent on CalWORKs generates $7.35 million in economic output and employment in the state, he said.
    How much is spent on CalWorks each year? Anybody know?
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