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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Basic maths shows this.

    3 people.

    Person 1 earns 10 dollars a year
    Person 2 earns 100 dollars a year
    Person 3 earns 10000 dollars a year.

    Flat tax system of say 20% since you yanks love low numbers.

    Person 1 pays 2 dollars in tax, leaving 8 dollars to live on
    Person 2 pays 20 dollars in tax, leaving 80 dollars to live on
    Person 3 pays 2000 dollars in tax, leaving 8000 dollars to live on.
    That's nice, but finish the transform and apply the time factor.

    Person 3 does not (and can not) spend his 8000 dollars all at once. He spends some and invests the remainder until he needs it, thus funding business activity that employs Persons 4, 5, and 6, who are also paid 10 and 100 dollars per year, instead of being unemployed.

    Double Person 3's tax rate to 40%, reduce his disposable income to $6,000, and Person 6 and possibly Person 5 is no longer employed.

    Your zeal to penalize Person 3 for his success costs Person 6 and Person 5 their jobs. Awesome compassion you have there.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    I've said it before.

    Leftists have essentially destroyed the state of California. Welfare along with runaway illegal alien migration have added insult to injury. There isn't a single politician in Sacramento that is worth spit.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Ca wants to be bailed out by the Feds. Hell, it's like bailing out a 3rd world country with no hopes of any return.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    I've said it before.

    Leftists have essentially destroyed the state of California. Welfare along with runaway illegal alien migration have added insult to injury. There isn't a single politician in Sacramento that is worth spit.
    It's pretty ridiculous to claim that a program as successful as calWORKS is responsible for this when the government has been basically hemorrhaging money in much more bureaucratic and wasteful ways, just like every other state (and the federal government, as well).

    "Blame the leftists" seems to me to be more of a cop out than an actual addressing of the issue.

    Ca wants to be bailed out by the Feds. Hell, it's like bailing out a 3rd world country with no hopes of any return.
    That's what pretty much every bailout is like. The return is in not having the entire state collapse into rioting, chaos and economic meltdown, which is what would happen if they got rid of calWORKS.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's what pretty much every bailout is like. The return is in not having the entire state collapse into rioting, chaos and economic meltdown, which is what would happen if they got rid of calWORKS.
    Sure, it might be like that for a while, but it would put us on the road to economic sustainability again.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    That's what pretty much every bailout is like. The return is in not having the entire state collapse into rioting, chaos and economic meltdown, which is what would happen if they got rid of calWORKS.
    The entire state is on public assistance?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's nice, but finish the transform and apply the time factor.

    Person 3 does not (and can not) spend his 8000 dollars all at once. He spends some and invests the remainder until he needs it, thus funding business activity that employs Persons 4, 5, and 6, who are also paid 10 and 100 dollars per year, instead of being unemployed.

    Double Person 3's tax rate to 40%, reduce his disposable income to $6,000, and Person 6 and possibly Person 5 is no longer employed.

    Your zeal to penalize Person 3 for his success costs Person 6 and Person 5 their jobs. Awesome compassion you have there.
    Nice math but you totally miss the point as a good right winger. You are so focused on the "rich" that you fail to see the huge majority of the people are in the first 2 categories. So you are basically saying, screw the less well off as long as the super rich get their tax breaks because then they can maybe invest the money somewhere. Like it or not person 1 and 2 are what drive any economy. Person 3 can invest all his wealth but without the spending of person 1 and 2, person 3 will never achieve or expand on his or her wealth.

    And I love your last comment.. may I ask where your compassion is for person 1 and 2 when they cant afford to buy food for their children or cloths for themselves? Person 3 can afford to pay that little extra in taxes, where as person 1 and 2 cant. Giving a tax break to the majority of people vs the very small minority is and always has been the best course, but listening to you only the rich matter. Great compassion there dude.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    The entire state is on public assistance?
    The entire state is affected by the situation, and to remove calWORKS completely would have a profound ripple effect throughout the state and the country.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Person 3 can invest all his wealth but without the spending of person 1 and 2, person 3 will never achieve or expand on his or her wealth.
    Exactly. And if the government confiscates Person 3's wealth, nobody achieves anything and everybody gets nothing.

    Tolerating Person 3's success lets everyone else work, feed themselves, and a chance at prosperity.

    Demonizing Person 3's success lets everyone else go unemployed, hungry, with no chance for anything.

    Private enterprise and capitalistic endeavor employ more people, feed more people, and accomplish more social good than all government programs combine. Government little more than a parasite--a problem, not a solution.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    That's nice, but finish the transform and apply the time factor.

    Person 3 does not (and can not) spend his 8000 dollars all at once. He spends some and invests the remainder until he needs it, thus funding business activity that employs Persons 4, 5, and 6, who are also paid 10 and 100 dollars per year, instead of being unemployed.

    Double Person 3's tax rate to 40%, reduce his disposable income to $6,000, and Person 6 and possibly Person 5 is no longer employed.

    Your zeal to penalize Person 3 for his success costs Person 6 and Person 5 their jobs. Awesome compassion you have there.
    For the love of God, why is this so hard to grasp? I understood this concept in fourth grade, yet liberals love to wrap the "Reaganomics" tag on it and make it sound like some grand Ponzi scheme.

    Either liberals are intellectually dishonest enough to argue against what they know to be true, or they are dumber than I was in fourth grade. I suspect the former, and unfortunately for them it flies in the face of their political agenda, which is to reward the lazy in exchange for the collective vote.
    Last edited by Erod; 06-09-09 at 12:02 PM.

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