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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Probably. But remember that many people on welfare don't exactly have the skills required to obtain jobs that can meet their financial needs.
    Thats what "charity" is for.

    Not government handouts of someone else's involuntary taxation.

    Those welfare people had a choice in public school, to sit down, shut up, pay attention and lear, or to goof off. If they choose goof off, good for them, I bet they had a wonderful childhood (don't bother) and now they're expecting someone else to pay for their miserable little lives now.

    Too bad for them, I say.

    Pass a law requiring homes without guns to post a sign in the front yard making this plain to everyone, so the barely literate welfare people know where to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, cutting welfare like the EITC is stupid. We want to reward work.
    No, what "we" want is fair taxation so that people who don't pay taxes don't get a "refund" of taxes they haven't paid, and so that the people who do pay taxes aren't carrying the burden of feeding those who won't work.

    That is one of the principles that made this country thrive, and abandoning it is what's caused this country to wilt.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Obviously just a personal attack. Your argument is to pay people not to rob us. So let's continue.
    You made a ridiculous comment. So I mocked you a bit for it. Advice; don't make ridiculous comments.

    How does it ignore reality? Was crime "through the roof" in this country before welfare? Answer my question.
    How do we defined "before welfare?" What period are we looking at?
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How do we defined "before welfare?" What period are we looking at?
    Make a mountain out of a molehill much? The US before welfare was instituted.

    What is the better moral action? Giving in or not?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Rational people here have often stated that cutting welfare off will result in large riots.
    Oh -- they 'stated' that. It MUST be true.
    If that's the best you can do -- save us the trouble and give up now.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If I was wrong, people wouldn't have their firearms stolen and used in crimes. People wouldn't have accidents at the rates we do. People wouldn't keep loaded firearms around. But people do. And people get injured and killed.

    The notion that people aren't stupid and that stupidity in combination with firearms isn't a bad idea is pretty much insane.
    Your statement described MOST gun owners.
    Nothing you state above in any way supports that statement.
    Disagree?
    Show that MOST gun owners have their guns stolen.
    Show that MOST gun owners have gun accidents.
    Show that the avid collectors dont have the best preactices.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    That would be quite a ridiculous proposal. As I noted yesterday, it's merely so basic an economic concept as the diminishing rate of marginal utility that renders a flat tax necessarily unequal. As to the "elimination" of welfare, that would also eliminate the positive externalities generated by welfare (i.e. lower crime rates), and undercut the ability of the state to maintain the physical efficiency of the working class. That said, it would ultimately destabilize capitalism, so maybe I should be all for it.
    Do you have any credible data to support these absurd assertions?

    How about this one for all you Welfare supporters; the best way to REDUCE crime is the growth of the private sector to create JOBS and actually enforce our laws. Everything else is pure hyperbolic BS.

    A Flat tax would go a LONG way towards expanding job growth and increasing the State's revenue.


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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    If he actually cared about the elimination of theft, he'd condemn capital accumulation through wage labor, as it relies on the unjust extraction of surplus labor in the production process and utilization in the circulation process to maintain a "vicious cycle" of sorts.



    But he can't be expected to care about anything so trivial as that!
    Another vast pile of nonsensical bile.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    A sounder conclusion would be that it's not necessary to maintain a financial class whose sole purpose is to "provide capital," and that embracing the efficiency benefits of workers' ownership and management would do us all good.
    In the entire history of man, you will not find ONE example where this has ever worked.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    The thing about externalities, everyone wants companies to pay for negative externalities, but no one wants to pay for the positive externalities that they produce. If you're going to get into externalities, there's a problem you're going to have to get around:

    Should Henry Ford have paid for the negative externality of the lost jobs in the other transportation companies? By definition, it was a negative externality, so should he have been forced to pay for it? If a neighbor grows a beautiful lawn in front of his house, should I have to pay for the positive externality it produces in my higher property values and the beauty that I like seeing?

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