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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Again, more idiotic posturing with charged buzzwords that mean little or nothing.
    Not to worry. I paid my way through a private university so I know what I'm doing here.

    Trust your betters.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    OftenCold:

    What's funny is that Jallman responded to a metaphorical description with rhetorical question and seriously expects a factual answer.
    It wasn't even metaphorical. It was just stupid jackassery with no conversational value besides demeaning your own point.

    Now if you raised issues like workfare over welfare and ending the welfare dependency through policy changes, we might have had a conversation. Instead, you decided to just stand there and having a pissing contest with yourself and the funniest part of all is you were dumb enough to piss against the wind.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Not to worry. I paid my way through a private university so I know what I'm doing here.

    Trust your betters.
    Well when I come across one, I will be sure to do that.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    [drivel]
    That was cute. Unfortunately, I didn't happen to spot an argument contained therein. Maybe you used invisible text?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    So are you saying that I'm not paying taxes to support programs for unwed teenage mothers that had children that they can't support?

    By the way, I used highly valid illustrations, not crude stereotypes.
    No, quite the contrary. For example, consider Mike Males's Do Teenage Mothers Save Taxpayers Money?

    If we update Hotz’s estimates to 2007 dollars and apply them to California teen birth trends, a surprising result indeed ensues. Rates of births by mothers under age 18 declined by 54% from 1991 to 2005, occasioning loud self-congratulation by various “teen pregnancy” prevention lobbies led by the Public Health Institute. Indeed, these lobbies, based on several “studies” by PHI and others that can only be called fraudulent, claimed teen mothers cost California taxpayers several billion dollars per year. They further claimed, without evidence, that their programs caused the decline in births by teen mothers and saved taxpayers money, meriting more funding for prevention lobbies.

    However, the Hotz et al. analysis persuasively argues just the opposite...[t]hus—if “teen pregnancy prevention” programs actually are responsible for the reduction in teen births as they claim—then their efforts cost poorer younger mothers nearly $72 million in income and the state of California nearly $4 million in tax revenues in 2005. If the costs of the reduced teen births are apportioned over the entire 1991-2005 period, teen birth prevention has cost young mothers over $280,000,000 in income and the state $15 million in income and sales tax revenues in 2007 dollars.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    . . . Which poor people took your money from you?
    . . .
    I'm literally embarrassed for you that any literate adult would need this explained. OK, I'll try.

    Any person who makes a career of, or abuses any system of Public Assistance robs the taxpayers, including me. Small children can understand this with ease.

    When I'm in line at the checkout with bread and hot dogs to make a dinner, and the person in front of me is purchasing fine beef, exotic fruits, and expensive seasonings but pays with food stamps, they are robbing the taxpaters.

    Every legitimate inmate of a modern American hotel-prison is robbing the taxpayers.

    Any recreational drug abuser getting rehab, especially outside of a jail, and using public funds to do so, is robbing the taxpayers.

    Any illegal alien receiving any publicly funded service whatever, is robbing the taxpayers.

    Do I need to go on? I get bored pointing out such obvious facts.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I'm literally embarrassed for you that any literate adult would need this explained. OK, I'll try.

    Any person who makes a career of, or abuses any system of Public Assistance robs the taxpayers, including me. Small children can understand this with ease.

    When I'm in line at the checkout with bread and hot dogs to make a dinner, and the person in front of me is purchasing fine beef, exotic fruits, and expensive seasonings but pays with food stamps, they are robbing me.

    Every legitimate inmate of a modern American hotel-prison is robbing the taxpayers.

    Any recreation drug abuser getting rehab outside of a jail, and is using public funds to do so , is robbing the taxpayers.

    Any illegal alien receiving any publicly funded service whatever, is robbing the taxpayers.

    Do I need to go on? I get bored pointing out such obvious facts.
    So then...no specific poor person robbed you and took your money away. Glad we cleared that up.

    Now how about we address the real beef you have and discuss the government spending policies that create these injustices you percieve. And let's do so without the backhanded swipes at each other's intelligence like big boys, mkay?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Do Teenage Mothers Save Taxpayers Money?
    No. The government staying inside it's Constitutional boundaries saves taxpayer dollars. Those old fashioned boundaries, you know, the capitalist boundaries where the baby factory is liable for the cost and upbringing of the product line until it's ready for sale.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    So then...no specific poor person robbed you and took your money away. Glad we cleared that up.

    Now how about we address the real beef you have and discuss the government spending policies that create these injustices you percieve. And let's do so without the backhanded swipes at each other's intelligence like big boys, mkay?
    First, I have indeed been robbed by a few poor people, but that was not my point. More have tried, but were frustrated in their attempts. (It is positively amazing how quickly a person can exit a building if they hear the breach on an antique shotgun close in the dark of a room they thought they were alone in.)

    I have been referring to a class of people since the start here, I do not understand your demand for a specific individual.


    Second, if we cannot use obvious metaphor and literary style in a forum such as this, we are lost. This is not a doctoral thesis on the empirical properties of an organic molecule. The use of such devices is evidence of respect for the intelligence of those who agree with us, and those who do not.

    Third, your intelligence I have respect for-- much more so than you might suspect.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No. The government staying inside it's Constitutional boundaries saves taxpayer dollars. Those old fashioned boundaries, you know, the capitalist boundaries where the baby factory is liable for the cost and upbringing of the product line until it's ready for sale.
    Do you happen to have an actual argument? Crazy shenanigans, I know, but still...

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Do you happen to have an actual argument? Crazy shenanigans, I know, but still...
    That is an argument.

    It's not the government's job to engage in acts of "charity".

    Prove otherwise.

    If you attempt this, recall that charity is a voluntary act and the only tool government has is force and threats thereof.

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