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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, it's poor people.

    Don't worry, I've run into many a liberal that finds the simple metaphor too complex for their reading abilities.

    I think most of them are public school graduates.
    Well you're talking to neither a public school graduate nor a liberal.

    You are making no sense whatsoever, but then partisan hacks rarely do. Why don't you enlighten us as to what your deep, often misunderstood metaphor is supposed to mean?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well you're talking to neither a public school graduate nor a liberal.
    Then explain your failure to understand the simple process of making a metaphor in the English language.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    The same goes for me, my dear Mr. Akhbar. I'm neither a liberal nor a public school graduate, and I don't find your contribution to this thread very substantive in nature.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    A sounder conclusion would be that it's not necessary to maintain a financial class whose sole purpose is to "provide capital," and that embracing the efficiency benefits of workers' ownership and management would do us all good.
    Well, no. Nobody has to "maintain" them, they do just fine maintaining themselves.

    It's the poor people that need the jobs, not the rich folks.

    But hey, if the rich can't use their money as they wish, they should certainly be allowed to take it home with them, right?

    You got a problem with people hanging onto their own property?

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    The same goes for me, my dear Mr. Akhbar. I'm neither a liberal nor a public school graduate, and I don't find your contribution to this thread very substantive in nature.
    Sure it is.

    You just don't like valid depictions.

    Tell ya what, how about if the state of California ends its state subsidy of poverty and all you liberal socialist pity-party types dig into your very own personal bank accounts and show us how much you measure your compassion for these maggots, and I'll show you how much I measure mine by the same process?

    You first.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Then explain your failure to understand the simple process of making a metaphor in the English language.
    I understand the concept of a metaphor quite well, thank you. I just don't understand the drivel your extra chromosome is causing you to spew.

    Sorry I gave you the chance to try to enlighten me.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Sure it is.

    You just don't like valid depictions.

    Tell ya what, how about if the state of California ends its state subsidy of poverty and all you liberal socialist pity-party types dig into your very own personal bank accounts and show us how much you measure your compassion for these maggots, and I'll show you how much I measure mine by the same process?

    You first.
    But I thought you said the maggots were in washington. Are poor people still maggots? Or are politicians maggots? Or are poor people politicians? I scarcely believe you even know what you meant to say anymore.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't think that a variety of people here realize for most intensive purposes that welfare is nothing more than a fee we pay to poor people to stop them from robbing us and burglarizing our houses.
    Then I want my money back, because it doesn't work.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Well, no. Nobody has to "maintain" them, they do just fine maintaining themselves.

    It's the poor people that need the jobs, not the rich folks.
    An interesting comment! It could certainly function as a component of an analysis into the coercive nature of wage labor. For instance, we could first consider Alfred Marshall's observation that "labor is often sold under special disadvantages arising from the closely connected group of facts that labor power is 'perishable', that the sellers of it are commonly poor and have no reserve fund, and that they cannot easily withhold it from the market." Coupled with Adam Smith's similar observation that "in the long run the workman may be as necessary to his master as his master is to him; but the necessity is not so immediate," we can slap together something decent about the subordinate position of the laborer and his consequent greater susceptibility to manipulation or coercion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But hey, if the rich can't use their money as they wish, they should certainly be allowed to take it home with them, right?

    You got a problem with people hanging onto their own property?
    I've already explained to you precisely why capital accumulation is based on theft, thus making the finances ill-gotten through the unjust extraction of surplus labor the legitimate property of the laborers, not the financial class. It's merely a matter of nothing that the economic framework of capitalism involves a scheme in which the private ownership of the means of production (acquired through a coercive process of "primitive accumulation") and consequent hierarchical subordination of labor under capital enables the extraction of surplus labor from the working class in the production process through the use of wage labor and subsequent utilization in the circulation process in order to perpetuate a vicious cycle of capital accumulation, as I did. I even provided a visual illustration to that effect!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Tell ya what, how about if the state of California ends its state subsidy of poverty and all you liberal socialist pity-party types dig into your very own personal bank accounts and show us how much you measure your compassion for these maggots, and I'll show you how much I measure mine by the same process?

    You first.
    As usual, you've chosen to abuse political economic terminology rather than make valid comment. Liberalism is necessarily opposed to socialism; it upholds an economic order wherein the means of production are privately owned, which is the direct antithesis of a socialist state of affairs. Your comment wasn't very valuable either; broad economic policy cannot be reduced to the individual economic agent.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But I thought you said the maggots were in washington. Are poor people still maggots? Or are politicians maggots? Or are poor people politicians? I scarcely believe you even know what you meant to say anymore.
    There's poor people in Washington, DC.

    It run by socialists, isn't it?

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