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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What poor person knocked you down, stole your wallet, and went running off into the night with it?
    Well, the same ones that mugged me. The high school dropout baby machine, the fellow with the mild back trouble that's on lifelong disability, any recreational drug dealer that is in government sponsored rehab, anyone on food stamps who eats better food than I, participants in Native Health Services, the list goes on and on.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't think that a variety of people here realize for most intensive purposes that welfare is nothing more than a fee we pay to poor people to stop them from robbing us and burglarizing our houses.
    This paper reviews the economic literature on welfare reform over the 1990s. A brief summary of the policy changes is followed by a discussion of the methodological techniques that analyze the effects of these changes on outcomes. The paper then critically reviews the econometric and experimental literature on caseload changes, labor force changes, poverty and income changes, and family formation changes. A growing body of evidence suggests that recent policy changes have influenced economic behavior and well-being. One particular set of “new-style” welfare programs seems to show especially promising results, with significantly increased work and earnings and reduced poverty.
    Evaluating Welfare Reform in the United States

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, the same ones that mugged me. The high school dropout baby machine, the fellow with the mild back trouble that in on lifelong disability, any recreational drug dealer that is in government sponsored rehab, anyone on food stamps who eats better food than I, participants in Native Health Services, the list goes on and on.
    So which one of them knocked you down, took your wallet, and went running off into the night with it? Because if there ain't no police report, there ain't no theft.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, the same ones that mugged me. The high school dropout baby machine
    Crude stereotypes aren't especially enlightening, particularly the false ones. I'd recommend that you have a look at Hotz et al.'s Teenage Childbearing and Its Life Cycle Consequences: Exploiting a Natural Experiment. Consider the abstract:

    We exploit a "natural experiment" associated with human reproduction to identify the causal effect of teen childbearing on the socioeconomic attainment of teen mothers. We exploit the fact that some women who become pregnant experience a miscarriage and do not have a live birth. Using miscarriages an instrumental variable, we estimate the effect of teen mothers not delaying their childbearing on their subsequent attainment. We find that many of the negative consequences of teenage childbearing are much smaller than those found in previous studies. For most outcomes, the adverse consequences of early childbearing are short-lived. Finally, for annual hours of work and earnings, we find that a teen mother would have lower levels of each at older ages if they had delayed their childbearing.
    Teenage childbearing can function as a beneficial reproductive strategy in light of its ability to facilitate later uninterrupted labor.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Crude stereotypes aren't especially enlightening, particularly the false ones. I'd recommend that you have a look at Hotz et al.'s Teenage Childbearing and Its Life Cycle Consequences: Exploiting a Natural Experiment. Consider the abstract:



    Teenage childbearing can function as a beneficial reproductive strategy in light of its ability to facilitate later uninterrupted labor.
    Ha. Maybe it is because employers tend to look down on young mothers (who obviously have young children, i hope) more so than older mothers with older children (11+). Once the kids are grown, it is less of a risk to hire an older woman with older children as opposed to an older woman with younger children. Of course, i am only speculating
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What poor person knocked you down, stole your wallet, and went running off into the night with it?
    They're in Sacramento and Washington right now.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They're in Sacramento and Washington right now.
    Oh so it's not poor people. It's politicians. Glad we cleared your misdirection up.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    If he actually cared about the elimination of theft, he'd condemn capital accumulation through wage labor, as it relies on the unjust extraction of surplus labor in the production process and utilization in the circulation process to maintain a "vicious cycle" of sorts.



    But he can't be expected to care about anything so trivial as that!
    You're absolutely right. Wage labor is theft, so all rich people engaging in the practice of hiring people should stop immediately and close their factories.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh so it's not poor people. It's politicians. Glad we cleared your misdirection up.
    No, it's poor people.

    Don't worry, I've run into many a liberal that finds the simple metaphor too complex for their reading abilities.

    I think most of them are public school graduates.

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    Re: California Considers Flat Tax and Completely Eliminating Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You're absolutely right. Wage labor is theft, so all rich people engaging in the practice of hiring people should stop immediately and close their factories.
    A sounder conclusion would be that it's not necessary to maintain a financial class whose sole purpose is to "provide capital," and that embracing the efficiency benefits of workers' ownership and management would do us all good.

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