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Tiller Suspect: More Violence Possible

If any of the extremists from the pro-abortion crowd want to make a foolish and immoral suicide run towards alienating everyone in America, I say let them. It's only helping pro-choicers look more sane, which we are to begin with. ;)
 
Orius said:
If any of the extremists from the pro-abortion crowd want to make a foolish and immoral suicide run towards alienating everyone in America, I say let them. It's only helping pro-choicers look more sane, which we are to begin with. ;)
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That's not how you spell degraded.:2razz:

The point is this is just a few extremists and I find it disturbing my some of my former allies in the debates on whether Islamic extremists mean the entire ancient Islamic and Arab cultures is evil are so quick to embrace the mentality of their opponents in those discussions when it suits them.
 
Wessexman said:
Again although Tiller should not have been murdered I do find him and his late-term abortions a very strange place for pro-legal abortionists to take their stand.
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the reason why many liberals take this stand is because ANY unpopular law could be taken to extremes if this is allowed to be sanctioned.

Like I mentioned before, if someone doesn't agree with a law, those that agree with Tiller's murder could be seen as catalyst for enacting violence against ANY law that is not agreed upon.

So should violent acts against a law be considered justified?

What about marijuana activists, gay marriage activists, polygamist activist, etc. Should violent acts against the law be rewarded simply because they are violent?

There is a difference between protests and violent acts.
 
celticlord said:
You did indeed say that.
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Funny how people who support torturing people who showed no aggression towards our country what so ever. Many were, Yet you have a fool like this that make outwards threats towards our citizens and he is coddled and protected by the same people who outwardly supported torturing innocent people who knew nothing of any threats.

Getting reamed by some bubba in prison for life is enough torture as far as i'm concerned.
 
TheNextEra said:
the reason why many liberals take this stand is because ANY unpopular law could be taken to extremes if this is allowed to be sanctioned.

Like I mentioned before, if someone doesn't agree with a law, those that agree with Tiller's murder could be seen as catalyst for enacting violence against ANY law that is not agreed upon.

So should violent acts against a law be considered justified?

What about marijuana activists, gay marriage activists, polygamist activist, etc. Should violent acts against the law be rewarded simply because they are violent?

There is a difference between protests and violent acts.
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This is a strawman. I see no one sanctioning it here to my knowledge. The stand some seem to be taking is that of not seeming to condemn Tiller if he was performing late-term abortions when the mother was not in serious danger.

Some like jallman have been more sensible however.
 
Wessexman said:
No doubt a few in the extreme wing could be classed as terrorists but I'm reluctant to use that term for them as I was for the pirates. I don't much like the war on terror mentality and just feel it inadvisable. This is separate to this particular topic.
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The problem with "few" is that it does not seem likely. There is too much coordination, too much effort, too many people likely involved for it to be just a "few".

The "war on terror mentality" i probably agree with you about, depending on how you mean it, but as you say, that is off topic.
 
Wessexman said:
I see no one sanctioning it here to my knowledge.
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Umm shall I post you some of the posts treating Tiller as the same as the guy who shot him?
 
Redress said:
The problem with "few" is that it does not seem likely. There is too much coordination, too much effort, too many people likely involved for it to be just a "few".
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:lol:

I seriously hope you have never defended Islam from being tarred with the extremist brush, that would be ironic.:2razz:

It seems to be a small minority from the extremist wing to me.
 
What do you call a group of people who are coordinating attacks against innocent Americans who are doing their jobs within the confines of the law?
 
goldendog said:
Funny how people who support torturing people who showed no aggression towards our country what so ever. Many were, Yet you have a fool like this that make outwards threats towards our citizens and he is coddled and protected by the same people who outwardly supported torturing innocent people who knew nothing of any threats.

Getting reamed by some bubba in prison for life is enough torture as far as i'm concerned.
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As a matter of personal morality, I frankly have no problem with the concept of waterboarding Roeder to gain information about other attacks such as his.

However, as Roeder stands accused of the crime of murder, committed on US soil, his fate is, by operation of law, given over to criminal justice system, wherein he is given the right to remain silent.

Just or unjust, such is the letter of the law.

Remember my position about the terrorist detainees at Gitmo not being criminals? This is the reason why.
 
TheNextEra said:
Umm shall I post you some of the posts treating Tiller as the same as the guy who shot him?
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Sure. I may be wrong and if I am I think those doing so are themselves very wrong but I have no seen what you have said.

Be warned if you are making leaps, as I suspect, you will be savaged(metaphorically speaking.) of course.
 
Wessexman said:
Sure. I may be wrong and if I am I think those doing so are themselves very wrong but I have no seen what you have said.

Be warned if you are making leaps, as I suspect, you will be savaged(metaphorically speaking.) of course.
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I don't have time right now, but I will in the morning, there are quite a few that have equated Tiller to the guy who shot him and expressed their belief that Tiller is the same type of scum as the guy who shot him. I know Captain the moderator has done so as well as Jerry offhand.
 
goldendog said:
What do you call a group of people who are coordinating attacks against innocent Americans who are doing their jobs within the confines of the law?
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If they are within the United States, they are conspirators to commit murder/arson/assault/whatever.

If they are outside the United States, they are terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants.

Such is the state of the law today.
 
goldendog said:
What do you call a group of people who are coordinating attacks against innocent Americans who are doing their jobs within the confines of the law?
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This is what I meant by taking a stand TNE. Some seem to implying that even if he was doing late-term abortions for any reason other than serious danger to the mother he is a man of upstanding moral rectitude and virtue. Of course he shouldn't have been murdered but to pretend he was a wonderful man if this is true is not a good position for the pro-legal abortionists to take.
 
celticlord said:
If they are within the United States, they are conspirators to commit murder/arson/assault/whatever.

If they are outside the United States, they are terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants.

Such is the state of the law today.
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Does "whatever" include domestic terrorism?
 
Wessexman said:
This is what I meant by taking a stand TNE. Some seem to implying that even if he was doing late-term abortions for any reason other than serious danger to the mother he is a man of upstanding moral rectitude and virtue. Of course he shouldn't have been murdered but to pretend he was a wonderful man if this is true is not a good position for the pro-legal abortionists to take.
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Morals smorals...unless he was breaking the law I have no problems with what he was doing. The anti abortionists morals are not everybodys morals no matter how much they want to force feed them down everybody's throats.
 
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TheNextEra said:
I don't have time right now, but I will in the morning, there are quite a few that have equated Tiller to the guy who shot him and expressed their belief that Tiller is the same type of scum as the guy who shot him. I know Captain the moderator has done so as well as Jerry offhand.
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That is not what we are discussing, or I didn't think we were. It is perfectly legitimate to think Tiller a murderer, even as bad as his own murderer, at least if the conditions I talked of above were satisfied. That is not to justify his murder, to say it was a good thing or such or to support it in anyway. I have seen no one do that to my knowledge.

Personally I'm not passing judgment because the info on Tiller is a bit restricted, or that I can find, but if the worst is true I think he is a monster myself.
 
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Wessexman said:
What a statement. As they say, everything Stalin did was legal. That is not a healthy position to take.
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Murdering people because people do not agree with law? Extremists if you ask me.

If people do not like the law the way it is written then change it legally. Don't try to affect change by murder and intimidation.
It shows utter weakness.
 
goldendog said:
Murdering people because people do not agree with law? Extremists if you ask me.

If people do not like the law the way it is written then change it legally. Don't try to affect change by murder and intimidation.
It shows utter weakness.
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Who here is doing that?

We were talking about the implication that Tiller was a man of upstanding virtue by some in the pro-lower abortion restrictions movement and whether this is a bad tactic for that movement; nothing else.
 
Wessexman said:
Who here is doing that?

We were talking about the implication that Tiller was a man of upstanding virtue by some in the pro-lower abortion restrictions movement and whether this is a bad tactic for that movement; nothing else.
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I thought the topic was the turning of a blind eye to terrorists within their organization by the anti abortion forces.
 
So if prop 8 is overturned are the antigay marriage forces going to turn a blind eye to the murdering of gay couples?
 
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goldendog said:
So if prop 8 is overturned are the antigay marriage foes going to turn a blind eye to the murdering of gay couples?
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:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Ok, I just gotta know.

Where in the HELL did that come from??????
 
celticlord said:
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Ok, I just gotta know.

Where in the HELL did that come from??????
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Seems like the same illogical logic would apply..If you can't beat them murder them. With support.
 
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