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    Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper | World | Reuters

    RIYADH (Reuters) - King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
    Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
    so when we impose our will (read Iraq) it is poo pooed
    but when we impose our will (read Israel) it is a good idea
    damned if you do, damned if you dont

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
    This we should try as its an original idea.

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    IMO, the U.S. should not seek to impose a solution. It is imperative that the parties reach an accord on their own. The U.S. can and should be willing to help facilitate such an outcome, but the precedent that would be established by breaking an ally in imposing a solution would greatly undermine U.S. interests. Moreover, far from being the "cure all" for all that ails the Middle East, an imposed solution would probably have little beneficial impact over all on radical Islamist movements, Iran's possible pursuit of regional hegemony, and the various extremist terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Sure, hand both sides of the Suez to the Muslims and then leave the region.

    Brilliant Plan

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
    nothing to gain??
    the only true democracy in the region??
    the only liberal Western nation in the middle east????
    just turn our back, when the rest of the world pretty much already has????
    are you really suggesting that?

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    nothing to gain??
    the only true democracy in the region??
    the only liberal Western nation in the middle east????
    just turn our back, when the rest of the world pretty much already has????
    are you really suggesting that?
    Yes.

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
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    so when we impose our will (read Iraq) it is poo pooed
    but when we impose our will (read Israel) it is a good idea
    damned if you do, damned if you dont
    Do you think the elites in the middle east were actually unhappy about the Iraq invasion? They saw saddam as a sick dog who nobody in the region could risk taking down. They're more than happy to let us do it and take the heat.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you think the elites in the middle east were actually unhappy about the Iraq invasion? They saw saddam as a sick dog who nobody in the region could risk taking down. They're more than happy to let us do it and take the heat.
    The elites were probably more unhappy than us normal Muslims seeing the chances are they'd be Sunni and would hate anything that gave any measure of influence to Iran.

    Has anyone else but me not noticed that Iran has grown very bold since Saddam went hanging?

    King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
    Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
    US should play the actual neutral broker it should have been all along.
    Pressure both sides but give enough room for both sides to make their own concessions and time. If Israel refuses, stop aid. If Arabs refuse, stop aid. It's pretty simple. Peace is in US's best interests over dividing Arabs as it would just mean more US taxpayers money trying to stop terrorism.
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    Re: Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Has anyone else but me not noticed that Iran has grown very bold since Saddam went hanging?
    Laila,

    Bad as Saddam Hussein was, the reality was that Iraq was a counterweight to Iran. An unintended consequence of the war was that it removed the counterweight and altered the balance of power between the two states. In that new environment, Iran felt greater license to export its ideology and strengthen its ties to its proxies (Hezbollah and Hamas). Unfortunately, policymakers sometimes lose sight of balance-of-power implications and fail to take the steps/measures necessary to address such contingencies.

    The West may have gained some additional time with the outcome in Lebanon. However, if opportunities presented by that outcome are not pursued and realized, the passage of time could yet yield a governing majority that includes Hezbollah. That would immediately translate into greater Syrian and Iranian influence in Lebanon.

    Hence, it would make sense for the U.S. and West to try to engage Lebanon's growing Shia population to the extent that is reasonable and productive. Helping Lebanon reduce its $50 billion debt burden could be one avenue that would benefit all of Lebanon's people, including the Shia. Otherwise, that population could be captured, so to speak, by Hezbollah and future elections could lead to a different outcome in Lebanon.

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