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Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper

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Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper | World | Reuters

RIYADH (Reuters) - King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
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so when we impose our will (read Iraq) it is poo pooed
but when we impose our will (read Israel) it is a good idea
damned if you do, damned if you dont
 
We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
 
Redress said:
We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
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This we should try as its an original idea.
 
IMO, the U.S. should not seek to impose a solution. It is imperative that the parties reach an accord on their own. The U.S. can and should be willing to help facilitate such an outcome, but the precedent that would be established by breaking an ally in imposing a solution would greatly undermine U.S. interests. Moreover, far from being the "cure all" for all that ails the Middle East, an imposed solution would probably have little beneficial impact over all on radical Islamist movements, Iran's possible pursuit of regional hegemony, and the various extremist terrorist organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
 
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Sure, hand both sides of the Suez to the Muslims and then leave the region.

Brilliant Plan :roll:
 
Redress said:
We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
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nothing to gain??
the only true democracy in the region??
the only liberal Western nation in the middle east????
just turn our back, when the rest of the world pretty much already has????
are you really suggesting that?
 
DeeJayH said:
nothing to gain??
the only true democracy in the region??
the only liberal Western nation in the middle east????
just turn our back, when the rest of the world pretty much already has????
are you really suggesting that?
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Yes.

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RightinNYC said:
Do you think the elites in the middle east were actually unhappy about the Iraq invasion? They saw saddam as a sick dog who nobody in the region could risk taking down. They're more than happy to let us do it and take the heat.
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The elites were probably more unhappy than us normal Muslims seeing the chances are they'd be Sunni and would hate anything that gave any measure of influence to Iran.

Has anyone else but me not noticed that Iran has grown very bold since Saddam went hanging?

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has urged U.S. President Barack Obama to impose a solution on the festering Arab-Israeli conflict if necessary, a Saudi newspaper said on Sunday.
Saudi Arabia and other Arab states want Obama to get tough with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has balked at Palestinian statehood and defied U.S. calls to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements.
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US should play the actual neutral broker it should have been all along.
Pressure both sides but give enough room for both sides to make their own concessions and time. If Israel refuses, stop aid. If Arabs refuse, stop aid. It's pretty simple. Peace is in US's best interests over dividing Arabs as it would just mean more US taxpayers money trying to stop terrorism.
 
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Laila said:
Has anyone else but me not noticed that Iran has grown very bold since Saddam went hanging?
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Laila,

Bad as Saddam Hussein was, the reality was that Iraq was a counterweight to Iran. An unintended consequence of the war was that it removed the counterweight and altered the balance of power between the two states. In that new environment, Iran felt greater license to export its ideology and strengthen its ties to its proxies (Hezbollah and Hamas). Unfortunately, policymakers sometimes lose sight of balance-of-power implications and fail to take the steps/measures necessary to address such contingencies.

The West may have gained some additional time with the outcome in Lebanon. However, if opportunities presented by that outcome are not pursued and realized, the passage of time could yet yield a governing majority that includes Hezbollah. That would immediately translate into greater Syrian and Iranian influence in Lebanon.

Hence, it would make sense for the U.S. and West to try to engage Lebanon's growing Shia population to the extent that is reasonable and productive. Helping Lebanon reduce its $50 billion debt burden could be one avenue that would benefit all of Lebanon's people, including the Shia. Otherwise, that population could be captured, so to speak, by Hezbollah and future elections could lead to a different outcome in Lebanon.
 
Time fore a survival of the fittest, free for all bout to solve this matter. America vs. Israel vs. Palestinians.
 
Redress said:
Yes.
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Stripping Israel of her only ally will also strip her of her only check and balance. If she no longer has to worry about the US pulling their support, then she is free to act as she chooses.

Are you sure that's a good idea?
 
DeeJayH said:
so when we impose our will (read Iraq) it is poo pooed
but when we impose our will (read Israel) it is a good idea
damned if you do, damned if you dont
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This is -obviously- not the same thing.

1: The issue here is Israel, and so the rules regarding sovereignty don't apply
2: The Obama is a liberal Democrat, and so whatever HE does, it's good!

Does that clear things up?
 
Goobieman said:
Stripping Israel of her only ally will also strip her of her only check and balance. If she no longer has to worry about the US pulling their support, then she is free to act as she chooses.

Are you sure that's a good idea?
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For us? Well, I am not sure of anything that has yet to happen, but I don't see Israel doing us a ton of good, and I don't see Israel being particularly in the right in there struggle with Palestine(nor is Palestine, they are both pretty bad), so I don't think it is in our best interest to support either. Israel already does what they want, when they want to, with little restraint.
 
Redress said:
We have not the right, the need, or probably the ability to impose our will on Israel. I stand by my claim that our best move is to dissociate from Israel and Palestine. We have not enough to gain, and too much to lose by any association with either.
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But then Obama would lose the Jewish and the Muslim vote. Need to check your Obama wind gauge.
 
This is to Funny the Saudi's are telling Mr. Obama he needs to impose a what :rofl

Sure will do as soon as you and the all the rest of the Arab Nations establish Diplomatic ties with Israel and then go after and destroy all Arab teeror groups starting with Hamas and Hezbollah, till then I suggest you shut your ****ing trap.
 
Erod said:
But then Obama would lose the Jewish and the Muslim vote. Need to check your Obama wind gauge.
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What does what you say have to do with what I said that you quoted? No one is going to enact what I think we should do, so the point is totally moot.
 
Redress said:
For us? Well, I am not sure of anything that has yet to happen, but I don't see Israel doing us a ton of good, and I don't see Israel being particularly in the right in there struggle with Palestine(nor is Palestine, they are both pretty bad), so I don't think it is in our best interest to support either. Israel already does what they want, when they want to, with little restraint.
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Israel practices amazing restraint -- the only think that keeps them from literally wiping the Palestinians off the face of the earth is that restraint.

Also, Israel is a nuclear power. If they are attacked, are without allies, and have nothing to lose, they will use those weapons. That's bad for everyone.

These, among others, are the 'unintended consequences' of simply walking away from them.
 
Redress said:
For us? Well, I am not sure of anything that has yet to happen, but I don't see Israel doing us a ton of good, and I don't see Israel being particularly in the right in there struggle with Palestine(nor is Palestine, they are both pretty bad), so I don't think it is in our best interest to support either. Israel already does what they want, when they want to, with little restraint.
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It's rather ironic and sad that someone who fancies themself as a liberal wants to abandon the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
 
Tashah said:
It's rather ironic and sad that someone who fancies themself as a liberal wants to abandon the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
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I absolutely agree. A country slap bang in the middle of the ME thats actually the only viable democracy, surrounded by monarchies and evil theocracies and dictatorships. Israels existence is more beneficial to us then it is to the Israelis, i honestly believe that. The Jews can be a tool, by setting an example of a democracy, for peace in the ME, and for spreading that ideology. To abandon a country that has turned to Democracy in such a tough and doggy region (may i quote the Jews have more balls then us westeners), the country should be hailed and not abandonened. Therefore, its our DUTY to protect Israel, not our order because of some agreement. Also, the countries history of amazing restraint and military effectiveness in the region, including great ties with the West, is all the more a reason not to turn our backs on them. We let the Jews down in the 30-40's, suffice to say it would be a mistake to turn our backs on them again.
 
Tashah said:
It's rather ironic and sad that someone who fancies themself as a liberal wants to abandon the only liberal democracy in the Middle East.
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I find it Ironic that in the United States of America. Land of the free and home of the brave. Taxpayers are required to work part of the year for Israel, Palestine and the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia.
 
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AndrewC said:
I find it Ironic that in the United States of America. Land of the free and home of the brave. Taxpayers are required to work part of the year for Israel, Palestine and the terrorist state of Saudi Arabia.
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It was tax payers money. The government does there part, you pay them for it. That money is now the governments, so they can spend it all they like, who are you to critize what they spend it on. ;)

Even if they should spend it fighting terrorists and evil, and saving human lives, god forbid. Ignoring such issues and leaving it for other people to sort out wouldnt make America land of the brave now, would it?
 
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