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West Bank teen arrested in rape and murder of 8-month-old

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West Bank teen arrested in rape and murder of 8-month-old - NOLA.com

A 17-year-old Terrytown man was arrested on charges of aggravated rape and first-degree murder of an 8-month-old child Saturday afternoon, the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office said.


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Ross later admitted that he beat the infant repeatedly when he would not stop crying, Fortunato said. When the child began to defecate on himself, Ross said he tried to clean it up, causing the tears, according to the release.

there is not enough suffering that could be inflicted on this animal
prison is too good for the likes of this
Wonder how long until he gets his first marriage proposal from some whacked out broad
 
Isn't it somewhat inconsistent to impose a double standard that involves full criminal responsibility with an absence of equivalent legal rights?
 
anybody else seeing a white box in the left of my OP with WARNING etc...

I did not put it there :confused:
 
Isn't it somewhat inconsistent to impose a double standard that involves full criminal responsibility with an absence of equivalent legal rights?
at 17 he is more than culpable and responsible for the crime committed
presently rights are bestowed over time
so the level of culpability can as well
 
at 17 he is more than culpable and responsible for the crime committed
presently rights are bestowed over time
so the level of culpability can as well

Yes, I'd naturally assume the same. But why impose such legal culpability without acknowledging some equivalent degree of similar legal rights?
 
Yes, I'd naturally assume the same. But why impose such legal culpability without acknowledging some equivalent degree of similar legal rights?
well he was free to kill the kid, now he is free to face the consequences ;)
 
Isn't it somewhat inconsistent to impose a double standard that involves full criminal responsibility with an absence of equivalent legal rights?

This is the way I have always felt.

I would still have strict punishment applied to minors but I would not try a minor as an adult reguardless of the crime. I would just make harsher punishment for minors that commit the worst crimes.
 
This is the way I have always felt.

I would still have strict punishment applied to minors but I would not try a minor as an adult reguardless of the crime. I would just make harsher punishment for minors that commit the worst crimes.
like what?
if you give a minor life in prison for murder, you are treating him no differnet

if you give him a lighter sentence because he is a minor than the crime commited is minimalized

IIRC the reason we charge some minors as adults is because, drug kingpins in particular, some used kids to commit murder because they would be out at 18 or 21 or whatever, with a clean slate since juvenile records are expunged

if someone is capable of understanding what they did and that it was a crime, and that the outcome was reasonably predictable, they deserve the full weight of the law

the infant deserves justice, and sending a 17 year old to juvie or just a few years in real prison, once they become an adult, is hardly justice for such a heinous crime
 
It is not just the crime. It is his record. What it shows is that the rule-of-law is the rule of lawlessness. The law-god never protects anyone. It may, to some degree punish people guilty and innocent. But the law-god never protects anyone.
 
It is not just the crime. It is his record. What it shows is that the rule-of-law is the rule of lawlessness. The law-god never protects anyone. It may, to some degree punish people guilty and innocent. But the law-god never protects anyone.
errrrrr

law-god??


errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr what???? :confused:
 
If the crime had happened 8 1/2 months earlier, not only would this teen be seen as a hero by 'the left', but you the criminal for condemning the act.

Come on Jerry, I usually respect what you have to say, but let's stay on topic. This has nothing to do with abortion rights or what the left would have to say about it. I think everyone can agree that this was clearly a heinous crime, so let's try to keep this conversation in the realm of what the OP had in mind.

In response to other responses, I agree that there has to be some sort of consistency for how to be tried. I agree that it is best to never try a minor as an adult and to have much harsher punishments for much harsher crimes. It makes no sense to only try a minor as an adult SOMETIMES.
 
like what?
if you give a minor life in prison for murder, you are treating him no differnet

if you give him a lighter sentence because he is a minor than the crime commited is minimalized

I would be treating them differently. I would be drawing the line. An adult is adult in all treatment, a minor is a minor in all treatment. I wouldnt be saying that when it suits us we treat you as a minor and when it doesnt we will just treat you as an adult.

And I would give minors slightly less of a sentence for the same crimes. Still harsh but less. None if this kill someone at 17 and when your 21 your free crap.
 
If the crime had happened 8 1/2 months earlier, not only would this teen be seen as a hero by 'the left', but you the criminal for condemning the act.

Is this some kind of sick joke? How despicable that you're using the rape and murder of an 8 month old to further your own agenda. This has zero correlation to abortion rights and would be equally disturbing to liberals and conservatives. Your views are clouding your judgment and I'm deeply disturbed that anyone can sympathize with that statement.
 
If the crime had happened 8 1/2 months earlier, not only would this teen be seen as a hero by 'the left', but you the criminal for condemning the act.

Could you posibly act more disgustingly than trying to politicize the rape and murder of an infant?
 
Come on Jerry, I usually respect what you have to say, but let's stay on topic. This has nothing to do with abortion rights or what the left would have to say about it. I think everyone can agree that this was clearly a heinous crime, so let's try to keep this conversation in the realm of what the OP had in mind.

In response to other responses, I agree that there has to be some sort of consistency for how to be tried. I agree that it is best to never try a minor as an adult and to have much harsher punishments for much harsher crimes. It makes no sense to only try a minor as an adult SOMETIMES.

8 1/2 months after conception the baby can survive outside the womb.IN some cases a baby can survive 24 weeks and some cases 21 weeks after conception. Yet many abortionist scum would support killing such a child as long as it is still inside the womb. The only difference in this case is the child is outside the womb and all these abortionist scum are pretending to be horrified by such an act.
 
Although prison can not equal the punishment this person deserves, I am sure you are aware what other prisoners do to a child rapist in prison. Especially in a case of such disgusting circumstances.
 
Could you posibly act more disgustingly than trying to politicize the rape and murder of an infant?

That's how we view Tiller's death.

I just wanted a few of you to see it from the other side for once :2wave:
 
8 1/2 months after conception the baby can survive outside the womb.IN some cases a baby can survive 24 weeks and some cases 21 weeks after conception. Yet many abortionist scum would support killing such a child as long as it is still inside the womb. The only difference in this case is the child is outside the womb and all these abortionist scum are pretending to be horrified by such an act.
Take your emotional diatribes about abortion elsewhere. This is not an abortion thread.
 
West Bank teen arrested in rape and murder of 8-month-old - NOLA.com



there is not enough suffering that could be inflicted on this animal
prison is too good for the likes of this
Wonder how long until he gets his first marriage proposal from some whacked out broad

If he is guilty hopefully they execute him, hopefully they stick their death row inmates in the general population. I do not give a rats ass how old the defendant is. Old enough to do the crime old enough to do the time. Justice for the victim shouldn't be minimized just because of the age of the defendant or the age of victim.
 
Take your emotional diatribes about abortion elsewhere. This is not an abortion thread.

Killing people who kill children...I don't see what's wrong with that.

That's why I support capitol punishment. Some monsters need to be removed from the planet.
 
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Killing people who kill children...I don't see what's wrong with that.
Well I'm sorry to hear that you perpetuate the extinguishing of human life while fighting a crusade for the unborn. Good luck with that.
 
Take your emotional diatribes about abortion elsewhere. This is not an abortion thread.

Emotional diatribe. Are you denying the fact that 21-37 weeks after conception a baby is able to survive outside the womb?

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premature_birth[/ame]
The earliest gestational age at which the infant has at least a 50% chance of survival is referred to as the limit of viability. As NICU care has improved over the last 40 years, viability has reduced to approximately 24 weeks,[65][66] although rare survivors have been documented as early as 21 weeks.[2]
 
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Well I'm sorry to hear that you perpetuate the extinguishing of human life while fighting a crusade for the unborn. Good luck with that.

Any reason you edited out the second part of my post?

Just wondering...
 
If he is guilty hopefully they execute him, hopefully they stick their death row inmates in the general population. I do not give a rats ass how old the defendant is. Old enough to do the crime old enough to do the time. Justice for the victim shouldn't be minimized just because of the age of the defendant or the age of victim.
So, by your logic, if a 5-year-old gets his hands on a pistol on the playground and shoots another kid, he should get the death penalty? "Old enough to do the crime, old enough to do the time", right? :lol:
 
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