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Tennessee lawmakers approve handguns in bars, override veto

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Now this I don't understand. Tennessee has some of the toughest DWI laws in the country, but they now pass a law that says that you can wear a gun in a bar while getting drunk? That is sure going to cut down on crimes of passion, committed in drunken rages, isn't it?

I don't know about anybody else, but IMHO, every member of the Tennessee Congress that voted this bill into law and overrode the governor's veto deserves a share in this year's Idiot of the Year Awards.

Article is here.
 
danarhea said:
Now this I don't understand. Tennessee has some of the toughest DWI laws in the country, but they now pass a law that says that you can wear a gun in a bar while getting drunk? That is sure going to cut down on crimes of passion, committed in drunken rages, isn't it?

I don't know about anybody else, but IMHO, every member of the Tennessee Congress that voted this bill into law and overrode the governor's veto deserves a share in the year's Idiot of the Year Awards.

Article is here.
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I disagree, it won't make much of a difference in gun crime.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I disagree, it won't make much of a difference in gun crime.
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As a gun owner myself, you won't catch me dead mixing guns with alcohol. It is absolutely crazy, and so is the new Tennessee law.
 
So now you take the ownership rights away from the Bar owners.

If a Bar owner doesn't want people to carry firearms in HIS ESTABLISHMENT, that is his right.

Much like if I don't want someone to bring in their firearm to my home I have the right to tell him to not come in or leave it.

The Gun owners don't have to go to his bar.
 
TheNextEra said:
So now you take the ownership rights away from the Bar owners.
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Does the law do that?

I read where it made it legal to carry a weapon into a bar or restaurant....but I don't see where that precludes the right of the bar owner to ban firearms on his own premises.
 
danarhea said:
Now this I don't understand. Tennessee has some of the toughest DWI laws in the country, but they now pass a law that says that you can wear a gun in a bar while getting drunk? That is sure going to cut down on crimes of passion, committed in drunken rages, isn't it?

I don't know about anybody else, but IMHO, every member of the Tennessee Congress that voted this bill into law and overrode the governor's veto deserves a share in this year's Idiot of the Year Awards.

Article is here.
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It should be up to the bar owners but if they want to then they should be able to allow guns.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So now you take the ownership rights away from the Bar owners.

If a Bar owner doesn't want people to carry firearms in HIS ESTABLISHMENT, that is his right.

Much like if I don't want someone to bring in their firearm to my home I have the right to tell him to not come in or leave it.

The Gun owners don't have to go to his bar.
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Exactly, it is just like the idiotic smoking bans.
 
celticlord said:
Does the law do that?

I read where it made it legal to carry a weapon into a bar or restaurant....but I don't see where that precludes the right of the bar owner to ban firearms on his own premises.
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If it is saying they have the right to carry on the premises, it is overriding the wishes of the owner. Again, if you can prove me wrong do so.

But the law says what is says.
 
Wessexman said:
Exactly, it is just like the idiotic smoking bans.
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I agree fully. I think Private Owners should be able to restrict or not restict certain things.

Whether smoking should be permitted or not should be the judgemnet of the Owner.

I live in Reno, NV as well as I have asthma, and before the smoking ban I wouldn't visit places that allowed smoking and I was quite happy with that because before the ban there were many that didn't allow smoking on their own. I didn't feel a ban was necessary at all.
 
TheNextEra said:
If it is saying they have the right to carry on the premises, it is overriding the wishes of the owner. Again, if you can prove me wrong do so.

But the law says what is says.
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From the text of the HB0962:

(C) This subdivision (c)(3) is subject to the provisions of § 39-17-1359, permitting a property owner to post notices on such property prohibiting firearms.
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Seems to me the law takes the decision out of the hands of government and puts it in the hands of bar owners....which is where it belongs.

My initial reaction was distinctly negative, but, reading this, I actually think this is a proper thing to do. No, firearms and alcohol do not mix, but it is not the responsibility of government to protect citizens from their own stupidity.

I have no doubt the prudent bar owner will waste no time in posting a "check your guns at the door" sign.
 
danarhea said:
Now this I don't understand. Tennessee has some of the toughest DWI laws in the country, but they now pass a law that says that you can wear a gun in a bar while getting drunk? ].
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This is in error, apparently. The article linked to says:


Both the Tennessee House of Representatives and the Senate have overruled a veto by Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen on a bill that makes carrying handguns into bars legal, it was announced Friday. Consuming alcohol while carrying a handgun will remain illegal, but those with a permit to carry a weapon will be allowed to do so in any restaurant or bar. Owners can still opt to ban handguns from their establishments.
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You can carry into a bar, IF the bar owner does not choose to post against it, and IF you do not consume alcohol while armed.

I have no problem with this at all. Carrying while drinking I would have had a problem with, but that remains illegal according to the article.

G.
 
People don't only go into bars to drink.
 
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Goshin said:
Carrying while drinking I would have had a problem with,
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I sort on agree on the one-hand but seeing the state trying breathalyze gun owners is something that would unnerve me(well obviously considering I live in Australia and want to return to Britain it is a little academic but you get the point;). ).
 
Jerry said:
People don't only go into bars to drink.
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And in my state, there's a little problem: SC does not legally recognize "bars" as a business establishment. They're all classified as "restaurants that serve alcohol." So technically I can't carry into a restaurant if they serve alcohol, whether I'm drinking or not. (I don't drink, so its not an issue for me.)

Personally I think this sucks, and I'm working to get something similar passed in SC, so you can carry as long as you are not drinking.
 
Wessexman said:
I sort on agree on the one-hand but seeing the state trying breathalyze gun owners is something that would unnerve me(well obviously considering I live in Australia and want to return to Britain it is a little academic but you get the point;). ).
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They can breathalyze car owners so why not?
 
Jerry said:
They can breathalyze car owners so why not?
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Because it is even more police busy-bodyism. Extra interference from the state is always to be treated cautiously. I'm not saying I'm necessarily against it, just that any such more interference is always going to rub me the wrong way a little bit.
 
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TheNextEra said:
So now you take the ownership rights away from the Bar owners.
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Well heck i can not smoke in a bar anymore here in Dallas. Even if the Bar owner wants smoking. Guess what not only the patron gets fined the bar owner does too an equal amount.
 
winston53660 said:
Well heck i can not smoke in a bar anymore here in Dallas. Even if the Bar owner wants smoking. Guess what not only the patron gets fined the bar owner does too an equal amount.
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Indeed but those laws are idiotic and almost destroy private property. They are not a good argument for any extra moves, although of course they pretty much give carte blanche to any state intervention in private property, a major reason why they should be fought so enthusiastically(other reasons include the EU is very much in favour of them:2razz:.).
 
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danarhea said:
As a gun owner myself, you won't catch me dead mixing guns with alcohol. It is absolutely crazy, and so is the new Tennessee law.
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When an issue like this comes up, I almost always default to freedom.

Remember everyone freaking out saying conceal carry laws will turn everything into the wild west and all that.
Nothing big will happen because of this
 
Wessexman said:
Because it is even more police busy-bodyism. Extra interference from the state is always to be treated cautiously. I'm not saying I'm necessarily against it, just that any such more interference is always going to rub me the wrong way a little bit.
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Sure, completely understandable.

I've gotten used to check points on certain roads at certain times of year. On the one hand the police are pulling you over without first having probable cause, but on the other, they do find many drunk drivers that way.

I suppose if I were carrying in a "restaurant that served alcohol" on, say, super bowl Sunday, and was pulled aside by cop for a breathalyzer, I wouldn't like it but I really wouldn't like that one drunk idiot who pulls out a gun either.

I guess if people didn't abuse then the police wouldn't have to step it up.
 
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Yeah, but how do you get your assailant to hold it?
 
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TheNextEra said:
I agree fully. I think Private Owners should be able to restrict or not restict certain things.

Whether smoking should be permitted or not should be the judgemnet of the Owner.

I live in Reno, NV as well as I have asthma, and before the smoking ban I wouldn't visit places that allowed smoking and I was quite happy with that because before the ban there were many that didn't allow smoking on their own. I didn't feel a ban was necessary at all.
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Not smoking. Smoking is a health risk to those around the belligerent. Bringing a gun in a bar, should be the decision of the owner of the establishment.
 
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