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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    Japan has started expanding in 1592 and was finished seven years later. There is a Korean TV series about it. Highly recommended. It's probably the greatest historical drama in the history of world television, bar none!
    lol@7 years later, so Japan didn't start invading Asia long before their attack on Pearl Harbor, ya tell that to the Chinese, Koreans, and Vietnamese.

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    He was a pragmatist acting in his government's (but not the people's) interest, no different from Hitler or FDR. In fact, one could argue that FDR & Co has caused more damage to humanity than Hitler or Stalin, because the latter two have much less on-going impact on history, while FDR's legacy continues to kill to the present day.
    FDR's ongoing impacts on the world would include liberal democracy for all of continental Europe and much of the Asian Pacific.

    FDR has prolonged the Great Depression, and his legacy has led to his mistakes now being repeated with the Bailout Bubble - all that economic loss will shave off quite a bit of time from the life expectancy of every human being on earth, often making the difference between life and death!
    Actually paleocon revisiionist arguments regarding FDR prolonging the Great Depression have been thoroughly debunked by those little things we here in the reality based community call facts, there was only a slight recession between 1937 and 1938 4 years into FDR's term, the rest of his term saw huge economic growth of 9-10% every year FDR was in office and unemployment fell every year FDR was in office.


    You're spinning so hard that plugging you up to a generator would cut the world-wide electricity costs in half!

    The word "boycott" is used to describe one's individual choices as a consumer, while what the U.S. government did was a use of the armed forces to initiate aggression against a specific nation and/or its trading partners. You try to sell oil to Japan - boom, you're dead! To say that's not war is like saying murder by strangulation isn't murder because you've merely deprived your victim of air!
    That is what we would refer to as a lie. It was U.S. developed, drilled, refined, and owned oil that was not sold to Japan, no threats were ever made to any nation regarding their trade relations with Japan.

    I noticed that you provided no link to back up this ridiculous claim.

    And the 1967 Oil Embargo is something entirely different - that conflict started in the 19th century and has reached total war after the "the Catastrophe of 1948". There's no question that the Zionists / Israel are the aggressor in that war.
    Except that a) Japan was engaged in a aggressive war of conquest and in Asia and B) Israel has never once in their entire history engaged in a aggressive war and have accepted every single peace proposal since 1948 which hasn't called for the destruction of Israel through a demographic shift aka "the right of return".



    Yes, Japan must be under the total control of the United States, no other option is acceptable.
    Um no they must end their aggressive genocidal war in the Asian mainland or we won't sell them any more oil to fuel their war machine. To which they responded with an act of war against Pearl Harbor.



    I have. I know that Germany has exterminated millions of Jews, including some of my relatives. But that conference didn't take place in 1933; it took place in 1942, after America has entered the war, and the invasion of the Soviet Union started showing proof that Germany's optimism for a quick victory was very much unwarranted.

    Hitler wanted a "racially pure" Germany free of "undesirable" cultural influences, and it makes a whole lot more economic sense to ransom the "undesirables" out rather than just kill them. He initially thought the Jewish prisoners would be an asset, a bargaining chip for their wealthy and politically-influential relatives abroad, but if other nations weren't willing to pay to rescue them, they became a liability - keeping millions of prisoners alive while the nation is being invaded from both sides and suffers fuel and food shortages is not easy.

    America's unwillingness to rescue those Jews, even turning back ships filled with refugees, are some of the things that mainstream historians have been trying to de-emphasize. Some stories get through (ex. MS St Louis), while most do not. The reality is that the U.S. government has contributed to the Holocaust more than it has helped end it.
    Jews began being mass murdered in 1939, if Hitlers ambition was not to slaughter all of the Jews then why exactly wasn't the Madagascar Plan ever initiated?


    Just as there was no Communist plot to undermine Czarist Russia. Oops.

    Sure, not all Jews were Communists, but a large fraction of the leading Communists were Jews. And not all Japanese Americans were loyal to the emperor either - except of course there were fewer of them, and America had the economic resources to lock them up more humane conditions than the German equivalent.
    lol you cited a forum and the citation offered (with no link gee I wonder why?) which tracks back through a google search to Politics Religion Wake-up America, Jews, Judaism, neo-cons and America which hosts some interesting little neo-Nazi tidbits; such as, THE HIDDEN NATION OF THE JEWS Understanding Jewish Influence and JEWS IN THE MEDIA***



    FYI Lenin and Stalin were both Christians.



    Ah, right, typical American public school education. "Before Pearl Harbor, which no one could have seen coming, America was just sitting there in Hawaii, one of the 13 original colonies, and minding its own business, not even thinking about colonizing anyone half a world away"...
    The U.S. was not in a period of expansion at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, in fact this was a period of U.S. isolationism.


    "Have been interpreted by some historians" my foot,
    MAGIC intercepts prove conclusively that Togo rejected Sato's proposal for unconditional surrender provided the imperial house is preserved, quite frankly sir you have no clue what you're talking about.

    Have you even heard of the plans for the "honorable death of 100 million"?

    Japan was never a threat to the United States,
    They destroyed the entire Pacific fleet save for a few aircraft carriers.

    and the U.S. could have ended that war at any time - or not have started it in the first place.
    We didn't start it, it is they who attacked us.

    Little nations don't attack big nations out of the blue, they only do it in self-defense!
    lol the Nipponese Empire was not a little nation and they had been engaged in aggressive wars of conquest in mainland Asia and the Pacific for a decade before their attack on Pearl Harbor.
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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    I guess I should have put ...



    ... in bold.


    Actually FDR & Friends had an 8-step plan to provoke Japan.

    There are lots of good essays about this on Lew Rockwell's site.
    An oil embargo is not an act of war, it is the right of any sovereign nation to trade with whomever they like.

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Wow, looks like Obama's got some serious balls calling out holocaust deniers, the very people looked so highly upon by our society. Damn, the guys got some guts, you got to give him that.

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Liz Peeps View Post
    Wow, looks like Obama's got some serious balls calling out holocaust deniers, the very people looked so highly upon by our society. Damn, the guys got some guts, you got to give him that.
    Liz...could you expand on this comment? "the very people looked so highly upon by our society.".

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Libman View Post
    FDR is just one figurehead, as were Hitler,
    Appointed.

    Stalin,
    Appointed by Lenin and his supporters to General Secretary a position he used through subterfuge to obtain absolute power.

    and Hirohito.
    Hereditary heir to the throne.

    I see the government as one evil system, regardless of departments, parties, and even national boundaries.

    All kings are foes of all the men they rule!
    Then luckily for us FDR was an elected representative within a Constitutional democratic-republic.

    Oh and that might be the most ridiculous answer to an honest question that I've ever heard.
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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have to admit I am kind of tired of the many liberals here who try and say they are moderate all the time ranting about the right. To be honest I am probably more moderate then most of them.

    Anyway, this is derailing the thread.

    Obama did a good thing with bashing Holocaust deniers, no doubt.
    Yes, this is derailing the thread. I'm tired of people who think their opinion is a matter of "fact."

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    I'm just hoping that Ahmadinejad will lose the upcoming elections and the new president wil have total respect for the memory of the 6 million innocents who lost their lives.

    Denying the Holocaust or any other genocide is an act as barbaric as having committed them.

    Hope that Obama will put pressure on Turkey to finally admit the Armenian genocide
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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mira View Post
    I'm just hoping that Ahmadinejad will lose the upcoming elections and the new president wil have total respect for the memory of the 6 million innocents who lost their lives.
    It's a wonderful fantasy....but I'm afraid it's no more than that.

    The new Iranian boss will the same as the old Iranian boss, no matter which boss gets elected.

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    Re: Obama slams Holocaust deniers at concentration camp

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It's a wonderful fantasy....but I'm afraid it's no more than that.

    The new Iranian boss will the same as the old Iranian boss, no matter which boss gets elected.
    Well I believe that he did harshly criticize Ahmadinejad for his holocaust denial remarks but you're right that whoever is elected will still be a puppet of the Mullahs due to their closed circle of power theocratic electoral system which insures that actual anti-Islamist reformists will not even be allowed to run.

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