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    Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    WASHINGTON – Employers would be required to offer health care to employees or pay a penalty — and all Americans would be guaranteed health insurance — under a draft bill circulated Friday by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy's health committee.
    Insurers would be supposed to offer a basic level of care and would be required to cover all comers, without turning people away because of pre-existing conditions or other reasons. Insurance companies' profits would be limited, and private companies would have to compete with a new public "affordable access" plan that would for the first time offer government-sponsored health care to Americans not eligible for Medicare, Medicaid or other programs.
    The draft bill sets up a system of state-level "exchanges," where people would go to shop for insurance plans and which would also oversee the marketplace. The federal-state Medicaid program for the poor would be greatly expanded.

    Insurers would be required to pay for preventive care, and a new Medical Advisory Council would make recommendations on required health care benefits that would take effect unless Congress rejected them all at once — similar to how military base closures are handled.

    The draft doesn't address how this would all be paid for. That remains a major sticking point.
    Yet many hurdles remain. Republicans are strongly opposed to a new public plan, especially the way Kennedy's bill designs it. Under Kennedy's bill the "affordable access plan" would pay providers 10 percent over Medicare rates, which would make it cheaper for patients, but harder for private insurers to compete with. Private insurers fear such a construct would drive them out of business, and there's even division within Democratic ranks.

    That was underscored Friday in the House, as the liberal Congressional Progressive Caucus released a set of principles for how the public plan should operate that directly contradicted principles released Thursday by the Blue Dog Coalition of conservative Democrats.
    This is just a draft I understand but I can't begin to list how horribly designed it is.

    I wish Kennedy would retire already.
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    Re: Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    I wish most of Congress would.

    "Insurers would be required to pay for preventive care"

    That is not a bad argument. Right now the system is centered around curing existing diseases and conditions and leaves preventive care more or less in the wind. We could save huge amounts of money on healthcare costs by changing the medical system from viewing curing and fixing existing conditions as the primary goal to ensuring that people don't get those conditions in the first place. Remember that hospitals take huge hits on end term care for the poor because the poor can't afford regular checkups. Imagine if the poor never got the conditions that caused the healthcare system to have to fork over huge amounts of money to fix. I'm sure there could be a way to make this marginally profitable for the parasite that is the insurance industry.

    The rest of what you highlighted is more proof that Kennedy is a moron. Especially expanding Medicaid. That's brilliantly retarded.
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    Re: Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I wish most of Congress would.

    "Insurers would be required to pay for preventive care"

    That is not a bad argument. Right now the system is centered around curing existing diseases and conditions and leaves preventive care more or less in the wind. We could save huge amounts of money on healthcare costs by changing the medical system from viewing curing and fixing existing conditions as the primary goal to ensuring that people don't get those conditions in the first place. Remember that hospitals take huge hits on end term care for the poor because the poor can't afford regular checkups. Imagine if the poor never got the conditions that caused the healthcare system to have to fork over huge amounts of money to fix. I'm sure there could be a way to make this marginally profitable for the parasite that is the insurance industry.

    The rest of what you highlighted is more proof that Kennedy is a moron. Especially expanding Medicaid. That's brilliantly retarded.
    I'd really like to see a shift in preventative care but I'd like to leave that to be paid for by individuals.

    That alone would loosen the price structure of insurance.

    My biggest complaint, other than it being totally against my personal ideology, is that they still haven't figured out how they will pay for Medicare.

    Its still massively underfunded.
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    Re: Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd really like to see a shift in preventative care but I'd like to leave that to be paid for by individuals.
    I don't see how this is going to happen. Especially since Doctors and hospitals make their money primarily off large operations and they get paid by insurance who also nets large premiums on plans designed to provide those operations. We'd really need to change the profit structure of both insurance and direct healthcare providers to move towards preventive medicine. With a leviathan that is the insurance industry and many of our Congress members bought and paid for, the overall chance of this is pretty low by any plan. With one exception while I'll get to later.

    That alone would loosen the price structure of insurance.
    If insurance would let it happen. Industries tend to fight tooth and nail over their bread and butter. We'd likely see industry industry funded PACs forming as well as large donations to congress members who vote to keep the system as it is. Not to mention serious propaganda by the insurance industry to keep it focused on current methods rather then preventative.

    But you are right in that if we moved towards preventive, insurance costs to consumers would fall like a rock. When few people get sick and have serious conditions, there's no need for expensive insurance. Companies would love this as it would reduce sick days and increase productivity. This would be the exception to fixing the plan. Get enough large companies offering health insurance to demand a plan focusing on preventive and we JUST might get a few insurance giants to change their focus. Enough buying power like entire state governments' healthcare plans and fortune 500 companies and it may just happen.

    My biggest complaint, other than it being totally against my personal ideology, is that they still haven't figured out how they will pay for Medicare.

    Its still massively underfunded.
    It's like expanding social security!
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    Re: Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    Say good bye to small business.

    Say good bye to getting a new job when you have a pre-existing condition.

    Kennedy is so friggen out of touch it's laughable.
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    Re: Kennedy bill would make employers provide care

    It's the tumor, it's made him a worse lunatic than he already is.
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