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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I agree a corrupt government in Kansas buffered Tiller from the law. I believe a corrupt governor in exchange for campaign funding vetoed a law that passed the Kansas state legislator. I also believe a corrupt DA fired a state prosecutor so he could replace him with someone who was more favorable to the agenda of continuing to let Tiller skirt the law.

    I believe all that. So does the guy who killed Tiller. In that respect him and I are in agreement.

    Would I have killed Dr. Tiller myself? No.

    Would I have advocated that someone else should kill him? No.

    Do I think killing him was the right thing to do? No.

    Do I think the guy in jail should not be treated like a criminal? No.

    Did I hum ding dong the witch is dead upon hearing of Tiller's death? Yep.

    Do I think Tiller was a monster? Yep.

    I won't apologize for that.

    In my mind Tiller is no more worthy of my tears or concern than a serial killer.

    I would have preferred the law deal with Tiller in a lawful manner but I can't say I'm upset some whacko took him out. If a guy is gonna grab a gun and kill someone - Tiller was a good choice.
    Why would tiller be a good choice when Tiller did nothing wrong?
    If it is the government that is corrupt that allowed such acts to take place how can the fault rest with someone that is following the law? If it is the DA and governor that are so corrupt than the one that should be taken out would be those two as well as state legislatures and government employees of the last 30+ years.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    jfuh, do you not see my lolz in my original post? That is in reference to the guy being surprised he is being treated like a criminal.
    It's difficult to see that it's laughing at him rather than with him when it's followed by "I agree with him". Clarification would've been helpful.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Why would tiller be a good choice when Tiller did nothing wrong?
    Just because he did nothing "illegal" doesn't mean he didn't do anything "wrong". Killing babies for profit falls under "wrong".

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    I would have preferred the law deal with Tiller in a lawful manner but I can't say I'm upset some whacko took him out. If a guy is gonna grab a gun and kill someone - Tiller was a good choice.
    That is the slipperiest of slopes...And what you're slipping on is dark red...

    I mean who's next. I feel the same way about pedophiles. What about serial rapists? Wife beaters? Child abusers? White collar criminals like Madoff?

    Remember, in our society, Dr. Tiller wasn't any of these. He wasn't even a criminal in the eyes of the law. In our society, He was an innocent victim persecuted by a fringe group and murdered by a rouge member.

    This act will stall any positive changes in the late-term laws. Roeder did not save lives.
    Last edited by hazlnut; 06-05-09 at 05:12 PM.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Why would tiller be a good choice when Tiller did nothing wrong?
    If it is the government that is corrupt that allowed such acts to take place how can the fault rest with someone that is following the law? If it is the DA and governor that are so corrupt than the one that should be taken out would be those two as well as state legislatures and government employees of the last 30+ years.
    jfuh, I understand your indignation with my response. I understand it because I have the very same indignation towards folks who refuse to acknowledge the governor of Kansas essentially made the 22 week cut off on the books -moot. I have the same indignation every time I read an article memorializing Tiller for being a hero, a purveyor of womens rights.

    Be disgusted with me, I don't mind. I get it. I have the same disgust and disdain for anyone daring to call that monster a hero.

    Just don't put words in my mouth or attempt to assert I support terrorism.

    If some whacko took out Kathleen Sebelius I wouldn't shed tears over that either. I view her more as a sell out and corrupt politician though vs Tiller - who I saw as a psychotic sadist.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Just because he did nothing "illegal" doesn't mean he didn't do anything "wrong". Killing babies for profit falls under "wrong".
    Wrong is a matter of perspective.
    He provided the service to women who needed the service. In the majority of cases the women wanted the pregnancy but due to medical complications had no other choice but to have the proceedure.
    This is not neccessarily true with younger patients where it is a different story.
    As for profits, Tiller very often provided his service free of charge to those who could not otherwise afford the proceedure. Also on profits, how then do you expect such a clinic to stay in business if it is not profitable? Any business requires profit to stay in business, much more to expand. Whatever Tiller's profits were, from what is visible, they were marginal and just enough to stay open.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That is the slipperiest of slopes...And what you're slipping on is dark red...

    I mean who's next. I feel the same way about pedophiles. What about serial rapists? Wife beaters? Child abusers? White collar criminals like Madoff?

    Remember, in our society, Dr. Tiller wasn't any of these. He wasn't even a criminal in the eyes of the law. In our society, He was an innocent victim persecuted by a fringe group and murdered by a rouge member.

    This act will stall any positive changes in the late-term laws. Roeder did not save lives.
    If a private citizen killed a serial killer, a rapist, etc nobody would be on hear bitching about folks laughing and refusing to cry. Nobody. In my mind Tiller is that type of scum.

    If I said the killer did not deserve to be punished, did not deserve to be held accountable for killing Tiller then you'd have a point. I have no problem whatsoever with the law throwing the book at this guy.

    But on certain points - crazy as this guy probably is - he was right about the corruption within the Kansas government.

    I disagree with the bolded part. There were already only 3 drs willing to go to the lengths Tiller did. Now there's only two and I don't even know if those two skirt laws like Tiller did.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Wrong is a matter of perspective.
    In some instances.

    He provided the service to women who needed the service.
    Yes, and the murder of babies in utero is a service that is wrong.

    In the majority of cases the women wanted the pregnancy but due to medical complications had no other choice but to have the proceedure.
    This is not neccessarily true with younger patients where it is a different story.
    OK, so I overlook the majority of cases. Even one case of murdering a baby is enough to forever turn my opinion of a man...

    As for profits, Tiller very often provided his service free of charge to those who could not otherwise afford the proceedure. Also on profits, how then do you expect such a clinic to stay in business if it is not profitable? Any business requires profit to stay in business, much more to expand. Whatever Tiller's profits were, from what is visible, they were marginal and just enough to stay open.
    Please provide proof of these claims.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Wrong is a matter of perspective.
    He provided the service to women who needed the service. In the majority of cases the women wanted the pregnancy but due to medical complications had no other choice but to have the proceedure.
    This is unverifiable.

    This is not neccessarily true with younger patients where it is a different story.
    As for profits, Tiller very often provided his service free of charge to those who could not otherwise afford the proceedure. Also on profits, how then do you expect such a clinic to stay in business if it is not profitable? Any business requires profit to stay in business, much more to expand. Whatever Tiller's profits were, from what is visible, they were marginal and just enough to stay open.
    Tiller was a millionaire because unlike other drs. he would not turn a woman away no matter how far along she was and he charged $5000 a pop.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    It's difficult to see that it's laughing at him rather than with him when it's followed by "I agree with him". Clarification would've been helpful.
    Clarification came immediately in the next sentence. How is it my fault you stopped reading after one line?

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