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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Regardless of the particulars of his guilt or innocence regarding the alleged crime of murder, the direct consequence of his being caught is his incarceration.

    At this moment, he has not been tried and is therefore presumptively innocent in the eyes of the law.

    He is incarcerated. It is common to view such deprivation of personal liberty as a punitive measure. Thus he is being punished.

    Why is he being punished? He is not being punished for any crime--by operation of law, that cannot happen until his guilt is established at trial, which has not happened. The sole remaining reason for his current punishment is that he was apprehended by the police.

    He is being punished for being apprehended. Ergo, he was wrong to get caught.
    Yes, I know how the justice system works. Why do you insist on being obtuse?

    I guess I'll just have to ask you directly: If he is found guilty, do you find his actions objectionable?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Read her quote without the vile hate goggles you have for me.
    Talloulou's own words
    She was agreeing with his assertion that there was lots of corruption in the government protecting Tiller.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    No, she certainly did not. Please point me to where she stated or implied she found shooting Tiller to be acceptable.

    I'm waiting.
    What else does "agreeing" with a terrorist imply in your mind?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I guess I'll just have to ask you directly: If he is found guilty, do you find his actions objectionable?
    Yes, I do.

    Regardless of whom may or may not be guilty of the act, the killing of Tiller was a most objectionable act done in a most objectionable way.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Regardless of the particulars of his guilt or innocence regarding the alleged crime of murder, the direct consequence of his being caught is his incarceration.

    At this moment, he has not been tried and is therefore presumptively innocent in the eyes of the law.

    He is incarcerated. It is common to view such deprivation of personal liberty as a punitive measure. Thus he is being punished.

    Why is he being punished? He is not being punished for any crime--by operation of law, that cannot happen until his guilt is established at trial, which has not happened. The sole remaining reason for his current punishment is that he was apprehended by the police.

    He is being punished for being apprehended. Ergo, he was wrong to get caught.
    So this is how a Celtic Lord squirms...

    Did you get this way with D&D rules too? "You rolled the wrong die, ergo the roll doesn't count and I live another day."

    First of all, 'getting caught', he didn't do this, it was done to him. (Don't go Freudian on me)

    But prior to being apprehended while trying to flee the state... Were there any other no-no's mr Roeder committed that morning?(presumption of innocence aside)

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    What else does "agreeing" with a terrorist imply in your mind?
    Uh, derrr. Gee, I dunno...maybe about the finer point of government corruption shielding Tiller. You know...what she specifically mentioned in her post?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Were there any other no-no's mr Roeder committed that morning?(presumption of innocence aside)
    I do not know.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yes, I do.

    Regardless of whom may or may not be guilty of the act, the killing of Tiller was a most objectionable act done in a most objectionable way.
    Which way would you find less objectionable?
    Last edited by hazlnut; 06-05-09 at 04:48 PM.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Yes, I do.

    Regardless of whom may or may not be guilty of the act, the killing of Tiller was a most objectionable act done in a most objectionable way.
    Thank you. That's all I wanted to know. Some people's posts give off a rather ambiguous message and it's hard to tell whether they really do condemn his actions or not.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Which way would find less objectionable?
    I would consider shooting him in the privacy of his own home to be less objectionable to shooting him in a church.

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