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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It's not offtopic and if you think it is report me. However, I don't think my post is going away. Its about what is rights, morals, and what is legal.

    These are ALL subjective. You claim it is immoral to kill a fetus, the pro-choice crowd says it isn't. PETA says it isn't right or moral to kill animals in slaughter houses, most people disagree.

    Abortion is legal, slaughter houses are legal.

    Rights, morals, and what is legal are ALWAYS subjective.
    We as a society come up with rules. Not all animals are treated the same. You may freely be allowed to hunt deer during a certain season but never be allowed to hunt sea turtles. It may be fine to kill a 100 mosquitoes a night while killing a gorilla is a no no. It's all about worth. We give various animals different values and these values may change over time.

    However our society is built on a doctrine of all men being created equal. The very foundation of our system of justice and law is that no one human is to ever be given a greater or lesser value or worth in the eyes of the law. Slavery was a gross perversion of that; as is abortion.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's a property issue. But you are correct, we do set limits on animal cruelty.

    Why gloss over the cruelty I described?
    I didn't, my point is that rights, wrongs, morals, and rights are all subjective to the society.

    You claim that something being legal doesn't make it right or moral.

    So then you also claim that this abortion doctor being kllled was a right thing to do.

    So since morals and rights aren't defined by legality why would a PETA operative be wrong in killing someone that kills at a slaughter house?

    You would think it is wrong, because you would access YOUR morals.

    What makes your morals right and PETA members wrong?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And it doesn't prove that it isn't the same either.
    In the moral climate of our society it does which is good enough for this discussion. We need not go into metaphysics or metaethics for that.

    It is all subjective. Our laws, morals, rights and wrongs.
    So if I decide I don't think there is a law on murder I won't be arrested for killing? You mean social far more than subjective. The individual subjective few only a has a minimal effect on it.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    We as a society come up with rules.
    Yes, our society has come up with rules stating those BORN have those rights.

    What makes YOUR morals right and everyone else's wrong?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Not at all, it is LEGAL right now for abortions to happen. It is LEGAL for slaughter houses to exist. Neither one of them are moral or right by them being legal.
    This is our point.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So if I decide I don't think there is a law on murder I won't be arrested for killing?
    Wrong. And you're finally starting to see it.

    This abortion doctor doesn't understand why he is being treated as a criminal. He thinks what he did was right.

    Our society says he is wrong.

    Society wins over the individual.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, our society has come up with rules stating those BORN have those rights.

    What makes YOUR morals right and everyone else's wrong?
    Within the morals of our society killing a 7 month old fetus would generally be considered abhorrent except in a few circumstances. We are commenting on that. There is no need for your silly attempt to extend the debate.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So then you also claim that this abortion doctor being kllled was a right thing to do.
    Wait....where did I ever say that? I never said him being killed was right. I said I am not disappointed he won't be killing more people, but I never condoned his killing. Ever.

    And defenseless people is pretty much a given when it comes to moral ills. There isn't much subjectivity about that.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, our society has come up with rules stating those BORN have those rights.

    What makes YOUR morals right and everyone else's wrong?
    Because I believe we must never let one man decide another mans worth and this is especially true in the eyes of the law. There can be no favoritism, no inequality, or all hell breaks loose. Throughout history we've aimed to make certain humans non-peoples. It never works, and it doesn't last.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Wrong. And you're finally starting to see it.

    This abortion doctor doesn't understand why he is being treated as a criminal. He thinks what he did was right.

    Our society says he is wrong.

    Society wins over the individual.
    I saw it all along. Believe me it is not me whose posts are a mound of irrelevancies and non sequiturs.
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