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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Much like PETA thinks the killing of animals is Evil. What makes them wrong and you right?
    My digestive system.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, what makes an animal less than a human. I'm not arguing on the side of PETA only saying that they believe the animal has a right to life as well.

    You don't agree with that, but again, legal doesn't mean right or moral.

    You think the animal less than human.

    Pro-choice thinks the rights of the woman > fetus.

    These are choices that we make. What makes your choice right and theirs wrong?
    I don't see your point? An animal is not a human, so your comparison is bunk. Would you eat a human fetus? We don't need go down the moral justifications for carnivorous behaviour to see that.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't see your point? An animal is not a human, so your comparison is bunk. Would you eat a human fetus? We don't need go down the moral justifications for carnivorous behaviour to see that.
    Humans are animals but yeah it's off topic. Humans killing humans is not comparable to humans killing non-humans.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't see your point? An animal is not a human, so your comparison is bunk. Would you eat a human fetus? We don't need go down the moral justifications for carnivorous behaviour to see that.
    You think an animal's life is not the same as a human's. What makes YOUR point of view right and theirs wrong?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Humans are animals but yeah it's off topic. Humans killing humans is not comparable to humans killing non-humans.
    To PETA it is. What makes YOUR point right and theirs wrong. you can't use Legality because something being legal, doesn't mean it is right or moral, remember?

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    To PETA it is. What makes YOUR point right and theirs wrong. you can't use Legality because something being legal, doesn't mean it is right or moral, remember?
    Unless you are suggesting that we should as a society make laws about killing each other the same as laws about killing non-humans I have no idea why you insist on being off topic.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I would let it go to 18 weeks without questioning the woman at all. After that, I would make it a capital offense if it were not done with a doctor's orders and matching orders from a doctor completely unaffiliated with the first.
    Well apart from the time limit(and the punishment.) we pretty much agree. I'd make it only possible to get one if the mother was i serious danger after about the 12-15 week period, unless perhaps she was raped which I'd extend to perhaps around 20-22 weeks. The doctor's permission before the limit would not be too onerous but it wouldn't be completely on demand; you'd be denied say if you were going back for the 4th time because you hadn't worked out how contraception worked. Pretty much how it is in Britain(minus the fact you can just try a different doctor if you get refused now.).
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    My digestive system.
    Mine to, but that doesn't make it right or moral.

    Bottom line is that WE (as people) and in control have made it legal. Much like we as people right now have made abortion legal.

    You can't say something is right or moral by legality alone, but the fact of the matter is, it is allowed.

    Much like our founding fathers allowed slavery, women to viewed as property, etc.

    Right and moral are subjective terms put on by the majority of the times.

    Pro-life folks will argue that killing a fetus is immoral.

    Pro-Choice folks will argue it is the right of the woman.

    This argument will not go away and it will go back and forth.

    It was moral and right (at the time of our founding fathers) to allow slavery and women to be treated as property.

    This is proof that rights and morals are subjective.

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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    You think an animal's life is not the same as a human's. What makes YOUR point of view right and theirs wrong?
    That might be an interesting(or not discussion.) but it isn't the point. Seeing as you are avoiding the question I take it roast fetus is not a delicacy you crave, and seeing as it is very different situation your comparison has no meaning. It is irrelevant.
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    Re: Man accused of killing abortion doc says he's being 'treated like a criminal'

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Unless you are suggesting that we should as a society make laws about killing each other the same as laws about killing non-humans I have no idea why you insist on being off topic.
    It's not offtopic and if you think it is report me. However, I don't think my post is going away. Its about what is rights, morals, and what is legal.

    These are ALL subjective. You claim it is immoral to kill a fetus, the pro-choice crowd says it isn't. PETA says it isn't right or moral to kill animals in slaughter houses, most people disagree.

    Abortion is legal, slaughter houses are legal.

    Rights, morals, and what is legal are ALWAYS subjective.

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